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Today I have on Lucy.
Now, Lucy is a hot wife.
Her husband, Charlie, called in me for episode 644, Charlie turned his vanilla wife into a hot wife.
I mean, the thing about Lucy, that's super interesting.
I think it's like she still sounds like a vanilla woman.
They were both married to other people.
Charlie was in an open relationship and had a free pass and went after Lucy.
Lucy was in a relationship with a guy.
She was married.
Things weren't so great over there.
So when she met Charlie and started to hook it up with him.
First time she ever cheated.
It was like instant chemistry.
I mean, after a short time, she realized she was in love with him.
He realized he was in love with her.
They both left their partners.
We get that whole story.
And then they wound up together.
Okay, Lucy had never done anything with other people.
Charlie was more of the driving factor.
And then, you know, living this alternative lifestyle.
First, he started getting her into watching porn with him.
And he started bringing up them,
hooking up with other people.
And what they first started out doing,
which I thought was super interesting,
is like getting people into video tape them having sex.
I mean, that was like their gateway drug into hot wife thing.
And she agreed to it.
She's very much the type of woman who's very turned on by turning on her husband.
She talks about that very first experience.
They've been doing this for a long time.
Okay, so when they started, it was like Craigslist.
They found a guy in Craigslist to videotape them.
They really wanted to do it in front of somebody and then have that videotape.
And they did it.
Like I said, she goes through that first experience.
Then they met another guy.
And it was with that guy that while they were videotaping it,
he got her to like hook up with him.
And then that little hook up turned into more hook ups.
And now she's a full-fledged hot wife.
She has had many gang bangs with like five people.
She likes a guy who can fuck good.
I mean, that's the one thing she says she looks for in a guy.
It's not about size or anything.
It's someone that could like perform and perform for a while.
She enjoys this lifestyle because of the attention she gets from guys
because of how it makes her guy feel.
She is not into seeing her guy with another woman.
They have been with couples.
She talks about those experiences and goes into detail
about things that they've done with other couples.
But she has always made it known that she's not into that.
She was like most women where she was worried
that he was getting her involved in this so that he could do that.
But he's never pushes her so it's all good.
They're very much just into bringing in another guy.
Her guy is always there.
She doesn't play solo.
She does talk about a couple rules and regulations they have with each other.
She goes into very specific situations.
Like I said, she's had some gang bangs.
She talks about that.
She's done it all, but she's still, like I said, sounds vanilla.
And I think that that is Lucy's appeal.
And she talks about that.
I mean, in her regular life, you would never believe that this is what Lucy is doing.
Nobody knows.
This is a very private life.
Eventually, after doing this and living in this lifestyle and being a hot wife,
they eventually started in only fans.
They have that now, but like I said, they were doing this way before only fans.
They've been doing this when Craigslist was around, okay?
For many, many years.
They did start in only fans.
Her only fans is Texas Lucy.
I will put a link to her only fans in the description.
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You're going to love her story.
She's super interesting.
So I'm going to be right back on with Lucy.
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Hi, Lucy.
Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast.
How are you today?
I'm good. How are you doing?
I'm doing good.
I'm excited to talk to you.
I like when I get a couple on and I talk to one partner.
And then I get the other partners view of things because sometimes it's like
the same story, but totally different told from whether it's the man's point
of view or the woman's point of view.
Your husband has been on the show.
What did we call him?
Was it Charlie?
Yes, Charlie.
OK, Charlie and Lucy.
So Charlie called in.
He had a hot wife.
That was you.
You were cheating on your husband.
OK?
Yes, Charlie.
That's how you guys met.
And then he got you into hot wifeing.
And now you are coming on to tell the story from your side of things,
which like I said, I think sometimes it's the same story.
I don't remember Charlie's story.
I'm taping people all day long.
If people want to listen to his episode, though, I will put the number and the title
in the description so people who will listen to that as well.
But we're going to get your story today.
Your side of the story.
How your guy talked to you into being a hot wife, OK?
Because you weren't one before.
I mean, you were cheating on your husband.
Why don't we start there?
OK.
So you're married.
How long were you married?
Like, were you always cheating on your husband?
Was Charlie the first guy that you started to see behind his back?
What was your deal?
Yes, Charlie was the first guy to start to see behind his back.
I had never cheated on my husband.
And we were married 16 years.
And he had hired Charlie to do some work for us.
And my husband at the time traveled all the time.
He was never home and now the country for weeks at a time.
And at one point, I need to get in touch with Charlie.
So I messaged my husband.
I said, hey, can you reach out to him?
I need this, this and this.
And he said, hey, here's his number.
You just handle it.
Well, that's how we ended up connecting,
starting and talking back and forth.
So I guess I could blame it on my husband, right?
He gave me that work.
I don't know.
But I mean, what was he doing for you?
I mean, it hired him to do some racing consulting.
From what?
Racing consulting.
Racing?
What's racing?
Like, racing cars?
Oh, that's kind of interesting.
I just saw that grand teresmo movie.
It's so good.
Yes, it was.
So I had just started messaging with the things I needed,
invoices, all that.
And then before you know it, the text
just became more flirtatious.
And eventually, we just, I mean,
I could go into all the text and everything.
But over time, we just decided to meet up.
And then one thing went to another,
and I started cheating on my husband.
Now, what was going on with your husband?
I mean, you had never cheated on him.
Was everything great in your marriage
and Charlie just kind of wooed you away?
Or were there issues over there anyway?
And Charlie was just at the right place at the right time?
So I didn't have like a bad marriage
as I was abused or anything.
But I had a, what you would call a convenient marriage.
We were married.
We had a decent life.
But he lived his life, and I lived mine.
He traveled all the time, was gone three or four weeks at a time.
So I was home raising children all by myself.
So I think Charlie at the time of my life came in
and brought the excitement and everything I needed.
And I think that's where I decided
that wasn't the life I wanted anymore.
Well, because you eventually leave your husband.
I mean, but even just to start having sex with this guy,
is it was like, what was your sex life with your husband?
Was it lacking as well?
Because he was just never around.
OK, it was lacking.
He was never around.
And it was very lacking.
So I would say we really, we had a, not a sex life,
but we had sex when he was around.
But it wasn't anything over the top.
It was your basic.
Vanilla, they call it Vanilla, yeah.
So I'm not great at all those terms,
because all this was new to me when I met Charlie.
So we had that going on for a little bit.
And my husband, I guess, caught on and hired a private detective.
Oh, you're kidding.
I don't even remember this.
I don't know if Charlie told me.
He actually hired a private detective and had me followed and caught us.
OK, but before your husband catches you,
I mean, where are you guys like fucking like at the house
and a car cheating sex as a way house?
Yeah, car really everywhere.
Yeah, hotels.
It went on.
I would say, I'm going to say six weeks.
Oh, that's it.
How did your husband catch wind after six weeks?
You were sloppy.
Were you like, well, probably because I went
from the housewife that stayed home all the time.
Never went out.
Really didn't have a lot of friends that I hung out with.
And then I'm all of a sudden have to go do all these errands or things like that.
I mean, if I looked at that, that would have been a red flag to me too.
Oh, OK, because you're like, you're like fucking him all the time.
So you had good chemistry with him?
Yes, great chemistry.
So how does your husband catch you?
Like, did he get pictures?
Yeah, he had everything, I guess.
I've never seen him.
He says he has video or he did have videos pictures.
And he confronted me one night and said, I know what you're doing with Charlie.
And you can get out of the house now.
So of course, we had this knockdown drag out.
I was like, well, I'm not leaving the house because I was invested in it too.
So this went on for a little bit.
And at that point, he said, I really don't care.
If you see him, can you just state we had children at the time
till at least the kids are out of high school?
And how old were they then?
12 and 10.
OK, so that's a long time.
He wants you to stick around for the next six, seven years.
Yes, and he was like, I don't really care what you do.
You can see him.
You can do what you want.
But can you just stay?
And I was like, no, I can't do this.
I wasn't even an option.
I'm not going to, I was already living a life I didn't want.
And then I'm going to sit here and live another life.
So I said, no, I said, I've fallen in love with Charlie.
And this is a life I want.
In six weeks, he fell in love with Charlie.
I mean, I guess I was love because you're still with him.
Yes.
I got married to very young age, which my parents said, please don't.
So sometimes you're young and dumb.
And sometimes you have to grow up to.
I don't think sometimes 100% of the time.
You don't know who the fuck you are when you're 17, 18, 19, 20.
I don't know if I know who I am now.
Yeah.
I get my age or what I want to be in life.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I just at that point in my life, I'm like, I'm doing what
I want to do for me for a change.
And I did it.
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Wow, so that whole kind of affair reignited something
in you that it was not only like about Charlie,
it really was a turning point for you in your life.
I mean, leaving your husband.
What did your husband do to Charlie?
Did he like try to kick his ass or anything?
I don't know.
Just think of a race car driver as a tough guy.
No, he actually didn't.
He of course no longer worked with him.
But he did try to confront him.
And you know, you're screwing this family up and everything.
Charlie was also married at the time.
Oh, I know that.
OK.
Yes, he called his wife and said something.
But him and his wife had an open marriage.
And so I guess it was nothing new to her when my husband
called and said your husband's cheating on you with my life.
Yeah, she was like, yeah, I see that videos.
Yeah.
So it wasn't like it was new to her.
But I don't think she ever thought he was going to leave
as long as she allowed him to just keep having relationships.
So then what happens there?
That's kind of interesting.
Like I said, I don't remember everything
that went down with this story from your hub,
from talking to your husband.
Yeah, that's fine.
Yeah, it's kind of interesting.
So I like cheating stories because I think it's important.
Sometimes they're warnings to other people.
And that's why sometimes I ask a lot of questions
about what's going down in the cheating world.
Just because people could learn, this is like what can happen.
You're away from your wife all the time.
You're not complimenting her anymore.
You get used to your life.
You're kind of like on autopilot and in comes a Charlie.
And look on Charlie's, he's got this wife at home.
She's giving him a free pass.
He could do whatever he wants.
Did he tell you that straight up in the beginning?
Did you know that that was his deal?
Yes, once we became more like fortacious texting
and things like that, yes, he did tell me.
So you knew he was married, but you knew his wife was okay.
I would have felt like, I mean, before I did my show,
if I was like a normal vanilla housewife like you were,
I would have been like, this guy's full of shit.
Like there's no way his wife knows.
You know what I mean?
He's just telling me that, but he's totally cheating on her.
I mean, you know what I mean?
Because you never think that those kinds of situations
really exist.
Yeah, I mean, to me, it was kind of odd
because that whole type of lifestyle,
I had never heard of, never thought of.
That's what I mean, yeah.
So it was probably odd.
I was probably just like, okay.
You didn't care.
You were married too.
So it wasn't like that.
Right.
But then I was like, well, maybe he just, you know,
wasn't, I don't know, he was just out having sex to have sex.
So maybe like, well, here we made a relationship.
So maybe that all changes.
So now you leave your relationship.
Now he's still with his wife, but you're in love with him.
Did you get the idea that he was in love with you too?
And he was like wanting to leave his wife for you?
Yeah, he actually bought it up before I even considered it.
Because he's, oh, I guess you could say
in the more outgoing, he does what he wants.
He doesn't care what people think of him.
He does what he wants for him
and what's gonna make him happiest.
So yeah, we ended up both leaving our spouses
and we continued dating for a while
and then he said, let's go get married.
So I said, sure, let's go.
And we get it.
Wow, did now, because you have kids and stuff
and there's family functions.
Are there ever any kind of shared events
with your husband and Charlie?
No, there's no, I mean, there's the graduations
because all of our kids are graduated now.
So there's those, we tend to be in the same place
at the same time and be cordial unless it's about kids
and either one of us speak to our exes.
And they're grown, they're older now.
So they're not as needy or we're not splitting custody anymore.
They're all grown.
But for the while you were, like for those six years,
I mean, you had, and you're now marrying the guy
that you left your husband for it.
And vice versa, you know, I mean, his wife must have been like,
what the fuck, like I give you a free pass
and you wind up going and having, you know, falling in love.
Did obviously they didn't have a good relationship?
No, from what I understand, I mean, she didn't work.
He worked all the time, was always having to be the breadwinner
and I guess from what I understand
and I mean, I'm just going by what I was told.
So their sex life wasn't great.
So that's why he was given the free pass by her.
To me, I kind of look back at some of these
and I've met a lot of people.
A lot of people stay for kids.
Yeah.
And a lot of them have separate lives.
I guess like what my husband wanted me to have at the time,
stay for the kids.
But sometimes it's not always best just to stay for kids
because then you're just living a,
that's not teaching your kids anything either.
So I mean, not what I did was right for.
But yeah, totally.
But I see, I see I have a lot of friends.
It's just easier to stay for the kids or finances
and go to live like they live.
Yeah, there's a lot of reasons why people stay
and a lot of times it's not for love, it's not for true.
Oh, yeah.
And those of our families outside of X's
have accepted us.
My family actually loves my new husband better.
Oh, wow.
Because when I'm having my first husband,
those from my parents are like, you're too young.
This isn't right.
And of course, I was young and then what are my parents now?
Yeah.
So yeah, so our families,
most of us get along with our families
and our X's we only talk to if we have to.
Which is very rare now.
But yeah, so in the beginning and the kids were young,
we had to meet swap kids out, share custody.
My X still traveled all the time,
so my kids are with me more than they were with him.
Right, cool.
OK, so now you wind up, you got,
I mean, you guys have like this instant connection.
It's not just about sex.
You fall in love, you start a life together.
Now, you're still, I mean, you're cheating and stuff,
but that's still kind of vanilla.
That happens in the development of vanilla world a lot, right?
When does Charlie start turning you
on to this whole world of hot waving?
Because that's a different kind of a thing.
It is, it was, I'm going to say,
because we've been married 11, 12 years.
Apply with the first year, after the first year,
he brought it up.
And because I had never watched porn with my ex-husband.
And Charlie comes along and we start watching porn.
I was like, oh dear God, what is happening here?
I never, I just had the basic sex life.
And so we started doing that.
And then we would talk about it and things.
And then about a year, about a year to two years,
that's when it started.
He would ask if I'd be interested in having this video.
And I was just like, I'm not sure.
My thing is, I don't want anything on the internet.
Here, I'm the naive one.
I don't want all my pictures.
Like everybody can get my pictures.
I don't want all that.
He was like, no, we find somebody.
We give them the, at the time, video cameras are still the thing.
And they give us back the, whatever that is, the tape.
So it took a little bit, it took a little convincing.
And we did.
We went to some guy's house, this first guy.
And he was a total crank.
And he probably was.
And he, he was having sex in his bedroom.
Wow.
And that's kind of an interesting thing.
Because listen, I mean, the first thought in my mind
is like, why couldn't you just put a tripod up
and video it yourself?
I mean, so what you're really doing,
it's not about getting yourself on video.
What this whole setup was, is having somebody watch too.
I mean, that's really what the King was that you guys were going for,
or that he was trying to get you to be like into.
Yes.
Wow.
And so you guys, so the guy was a cranny.
To me, he was.
And he was an old man.
Oh, my God.
Like, never, the way I grew up, never a million years,
we're going to find somebody online with videos talking
and I'm just like, oh, yeah.
So, yeah.
And then we get home, we can have our video
and it has no sound on it whatsoever.
I've got to be kidding me.
I just did all this.
Oh, my God.
That's so funny.
Yeah.
And there's no sound.
But could I ask you a question though about that?
I mean, the guy's creepy and stuff.
And it's your first time.
It did it.
It was it a turn on for you at all?
Or was it just something that you did
for your husband at that point?
No, once it first did, it's just like,
I'm just doing this for him.
I was so nervous.
Yeah.
But once I got into it, I was like, okay, this isn't so bad.
And I noticed how much it was turning my husband on.
So I was like, well, I can do this for him.
So even in that first time, you started to get into it
is what you're saying?
Yes.
So then alone by, and then slowly,
we would just find more people,
somebody else to video,
because we had to get a better video
because ours didn't have sound.
And then we ended up finding a guy.
He wanted a guy to join us.
And I was like, I'm not real sure about that.
And here I am, the naive one.
And so we, there was times when our kids were younger,
we knew when we would not have any kids at our house.
They couldn't drive or anything.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they were parents.
We brought a guy over to video less in our house.
And he was being in us, fucking,
and Charlie asked if I would suck him off.
And I thought I was like, I can't believe I'm being asked this.
But then I started getting into it.
And I was the more I started getting into it,
the more fun I was having.
And I was like, okay, this isn't bad.
And I saw how much it was turning Charlie on
and how excited he got and how much attention
he was giving to me during it while doing it.
And so I started enjoying it
because it was really making him happy.
So you like to watch him happy,
but you did get turned on by seeing him turned on.
I mean, it's not just about him, right?
I mean, making him turn on
has actually been turning you on as well.
So now, did he tell you before,
hey, listen, maybe we'll also bring the guy in,
or did he just bring it like on you
enduring that taping like, hey,
you wanna try blowing that guy?
Like, was that the first you heard
of hooking up with another guy?
Or were you guys excited about that?
No, he would.
He would mention it while we were talking about
like, let's find another person.
And I'm just like, I don't know,
we'll see about that.
Right, right, okay.
And back-ish and he's like, okay,
we'll just see how it goes.
But he'd always mention it to me.
Yeah, yeah.
So at least I wasn't ever just all the sun,
you know, it was thrown into it.
But he would mention it to me,
but then I was like, okay,
well, he's probably not gonna bring it up
while we're doing this because I wasn't well sure.
No, he was smart.
He did it while you were horny.
That's the time to ask.
Yeah, and he knew from the beginning
what I came from and that all this was new to me.
I was nervous.
I never even heard a half of this stuff that goes on
that I've, you know, heard about.
So, you know, I didn't at least respect that.
If I said no to something, he said, okay, it's good.
But he, but he pushed it along.
I mean, and you said that's the kind of guy Charlie is.
Charlie wants what he wants and he gets it
and he's the more aggressive one.
I mean, you're going with it.
You're not at a stranger guy's house
by yourself.
You're with your husband at the time, right?
You obviously feel comfortable and safe and protective.
It's not like you're been forced to do anything, right?
Turning your partner on turns you on.
That's the way it goes.
Yes.
So, you blow that guy that first time.
That's the first thing that that's the first time
you hooked up with another man in front of your guy, right?
Yes, it was.
And you liked it.
I did.
It was now, of course, some guys,
we kept going on like some guys.
I just can't.
They smell or I'm particular.
But yeah, so I did.
And we kept, for a while, it just kept me
in hooking up, then videoing us, me blowing them.
And then it came.
He's like, we were talking.
He's like, well, what about you talking another guy?
And of course, once again, I'm like, I'm not sure.
He knows you by now.
You could say I'm not sure, but he knows eventually.
He's going to get you.
Yeah, he's, yeah, he's figuring me out.
Yeah.
And so it actually ended up being that same first guy
just because of the creep.
No, no, no, no.
Oh, the second one.
The first one I didn't get a blowjob to.
Oh, OK, yeah.
It actually ended up being him that came over again,
just because you find regulars that can at least come
at the spare of the moment.
You don't have to spend time looking for them.
So he actually came over and that was the first time
ended up fucking another guy in front of my husband.
And how, and how was that for you?
I will say the first time was very stressful,
because I was just like, and I guess in my head,
I couldn't believe I was doing this.
But then it also was fun, because I was like, I'm doing this.
And my husband's enjoying it.
And I'm turning my husband on.
And I like doing that for my husband.
And he's just sitting there watching what
his role in these scenarios.
He's watching videoing.
And then we would take turns.
We fucking each other.
Oh, you mean you with him and you with the other guy?
OK, now was there any participation
with them two together at the same time?
Or it's always separate, because someone's filming, right?
No, I mean, I would want to be fucking me.
I'd be sucking one off, but you're nice.
I think that's close to the gross thing.
Yeah, see, I don't need to be terms.
You're living the terms, though.
You're better than me.
I only know the terms.
So OK, go on.
Yeah, so that's, I guess, where the first one started.
And I guess over time, he would come back
just because he was a regular.
And he was someone that we could call the spare
of the moment if the kids were gone.
And then Charlie would start trying to find others
because he would want different ones
or not the same one every time.
So over time, we just kept finding more.
And it started becoming a regular thing for us.
And I enjoyed it.
I've always been one of these wives.
I work out five days a week.
I want my husband to be proud of how I look.
And I take that very personal.
So it was fun to me knowing that I turned my husband on.
I work hard for how I look.
And he enjoyed watching me fuck other guys.
Right.
And you like that putting on that show?
That's a part of what turns you on.
That's your love language, so to speak.
Yeah.
I'm sure can lie, but they would sit there and tell him
or me, you know, oh my gosh, you look great.
You work out so much.
So whether they're lying or not, it made me feel good.
You know, I was always self-confidence.
My ex-husband, you know, I didn't do all that.
He, I didn't wear the cute clothes.
I was like cover up type of thing.
Never wore bikinis.
And now I can express that.
And I enjoy that.
I work hard for what I have at my age.
Yeah, that's great.
Because listen, I mean, I'm a, I, I lift weights.
I go to the gym, a law and stuff.
And it is hard work, right?
And you never, and you were doing that even when you were
with your ex-husband, but he just never really noticed
or you didn't put that up.
I wasn't as hardcore as I am now.
I like ran, did small weights, did some classes,
but now I'm, oh, I guess a heavy weightlifter.
Yeah, that's great.
I remember your pictures.
You're very fit.
People love your pictures.
You could send me more for my Patreon.
Because he sent me ones in, in a view last time.
I mean, you guys do have an only fans.
You eventually start putting stuff in only fans.
So people get to see you there, too, as well.
So it's not like he was showing you off for no reason.
Oh, no, no, but you like that.
I mean, and there's nothing wrong with that.
No.
So that's where, and then of course, as our kids got older
and drove, it's very hard to make sure
somebody's not going to be dropping it the last minute
or a while or anything on the couch or something.
So that it has become very difficult.
So then trying to find people that can host
or a lot of people get hotels, but then that makes me
literally like, what kind of hotel are you getting?
So then we could offer to pay, but then are you
going to show up, type of thing.
So we have done some hotels.
We've done other people's houses.
So now that our kids are older and we're trying to get them all,
we got one left that kind of comes here and there.
We're having to find places or people that can host.
Now, let me ask you this, at the beginning,
were you guys using like Craigslist?
Is that what you said to find?
Yes, Craigslist.
And how do you find them now?
You know, because so many things change,
are you on like all the apps to find like these other guys
and stuff?
We're on the SDC.
SDC?
Yeah, uh-huh.
Yes.
And then we used double listed sometimes.
And now, is it always only strictly guys?
I mean, do you ever bring women in?
Have you ever done couples?
So we've done couples.
It's more soft swap.
I will tell you that.
And Charlie knows this and he has not pushed it.
But I am not for my husband fucking another woman.
That's definitely not something you're into.
No, and he's known that and he's never pushed it
or if we're with a couple, he has not brought that up
like before he would, you know,
how about blowing this guy or we brought that up.
But no, I'm not.
We've had soft swap, but I, he knows up front,
I'm not for him fucking another woman.
And what is considered a soft swap to you?
Like you don't mind him like fondling her breasts
or something like what has gone down?
Yeah, and another girl has given him blowjob
and then we've fucked in the same room with another couple.
Mm-hmm.
So it's more of like that little exhibitionist thing
where you're...
Yes.
Did you guys ever...
And then we did have another couple here and she,
I don't know, it's through what you call it.
She didn't get involved at all.
She was just, she just was one who watched.
She took that up front.
She doesn't get involved.
She just watches.
So she likes though, she's the opposite of you
in that you don't like to see your husband.
She does like to see your husband.
So that's what went down with them, like you met them
and you just did the husband while she watched.
Yes.
Oh, interesting.
And your husband got involved too,
just with you maybe at that time.
Yeah, he did.
Yes, she did.
And now did you enjoy that?
Completely closed.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, interesting.
Yeah, she did.
She said completely closed and to me,
that was kind of awkward.
But you know, everybody's different and I respect,
whatever, because I expect people respect me.
So that's her choice and that's fine.
Yeah, that was her kink, maybe.
You don't know, maybe it was all about what happened afterwards
when that was what she was watching for sure.
Yeah.
And now, so what do you look for in guys?
I mean, are you like pretty particular?
Like you said, I don't want a guy that smells.
I don't want like, what is that guy that you like?
Well, it's hard when you're picking them to know
what they're going to smell like, but as long as I don't really
care, it loses their clean cut looking.
It really doesn't bother me.
But I mean, because he's like, what are you looking for?
Young, old?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm just like, I just want somebody can fuck good.
I like to fucking, if they can fuck good,
now I've had bad fucks and people would just,
I'm like, OK, let's not call him again.
What's a bad call?
But you don't know until you get there.
So long time, you're just in the situation
and you don't know until I see fuck, so.
Now do you have a preference in size?
Does it matter to you?
Well, I would say the bigger ones are longer,
but if they get too long, then it starts hurting
in terms of position.
So I'm just not the real small.
But I guess a lot of people care, but I'm just like,
as long as you can fuck good, because you can have a small dick
and still fuck like hell.
So I'm just, as long as you can fuck good, I'll fuck.
Well, besides the fact that you don't
like to see your guy with another girl or there,
any kind of boundaries or rules or regulations
you guys have going in, sometimes people
have a no kissing rule or, you know.
Yeah, we have the no kissing rule and no evil.
Okay, now do you ever play solo?
I mean, is Charlie into that like you going and coming
or he always has to be there?
He always has to be there.
I'm every now and then he's mentioned it
and I just said no, I feel uncomfortable
that this day and age, I have no idea what this world is.
Gonna do so I just, for my safety,
I just feel like I'd rather him be there.
Right, he would be down for it though.
That's something that he would be cool with,
but you just always want him there,
just for safety reasons, right?
Yes.
And is it also for a turn on?
Because that's a big part of it for you to see him.
Well, yeah, that's what I tell him to.
I'm doing this for him.
I mean, I do enjoy it, but it's for him.
So for me going over there, I'd rather just
fuck my own husband.
So I do this for him, it's a show for him
and I want him there.
Even though he said he would let me go alone.
Some guys have asked and he's like, no, it's always with me.
So I don't know in the back of his mind
if that's really what he wants.
Interesting.
Now, do you find to your surprise
that this has improved your sex life?
People talk about the reclaiming sex
and how amazing it is.
I mean, we've had a great sex life since we got married,
but I would say it's even gotten better.
And a lot of times if it's not like a,
or somewhere it's not a guy that can fuck real great
will come home and we'll just have amazing sex
because I'm like, oh my god, that guy was awful.
I need something now.
But yeah, I feel we have a great sex life.
Yeah, and I talk to a lot of my friends,
of course, none of our friends know about this,
but just girls talking stuff and the friends of mine
like we have sex in six months, I'm like, oh my god.
Are you surviving?
Yeah, well, the problem is, and I'm sure you know this
because you were married before.
I feel like sex is the type of thing
where if you're having it, you want it more.
And if you're going longer without it, you want it less.
So you must be like,
more or near than you've ever been
because you're getting a lot of dick.
That's right.
Yeah, so I feel that we have a great relationship
and we're very intimate, even if we're not having sex,
we're always holding hands, we're always kissing on each other.
So I feel that also helps.
Yeah, and now were you nervous in the beginning?
Cause I think a lot of times there's a couple different
things that a woman thinks of her husband
bring this to the table.
Like one is that you're doing this
because you just want to go fuck other girls.
And the second thing is like, oh, are you going to do it?
And then feel differently about me.
Cause there is that Madonna horror complex, right?
As women, we know that it's like a guys have this
sort of double standard, right?
When it comes to women, like God forbid they see you
like getting fucked by a bunch of guys.
Will will his opinion of me change?
Did you have any of those feelings in the beginning?
Yeah, first of all, I was nervous as hell
cause I was like, I mean, I couldn't believe I was even
agreeing to something like this.
But yes, I 100% thought that he would just want to start
fucking other girls.
And this was just the beginning to try to get him
to be able to do that.
And then I also, I'm still very self conscious
about my body.
So I always want to know what people think of me
when I am not dressed.
So our inner swimsuit.
So I'm dressing in front of some total stranger.
I'm like, this guy's completely judging me.
And I look like crap.
And so that always made me nervous.
It's still this.
Interesting, but but it also at the same time
makes you feel better about yourself
because you're getting the approval.
It does, yeah.
So it's kind of odd.
And then I still even to this day get nervous.
We went to some guy there.
It's a new guy and I think the until I get there
and know what the guy is about and what their place looks like,
I'm a complete nervous wreck.
Yeah, I got that.
Do you prefer to have guys that you know?
Do you like one-offs more?
Like do you like the variety tours?
Is it really Charlie that likes the variety?
Charlie, we have a couple of regulars and they're good.
But he likes the variety.
He likes getting new people, new videos.
Just different figure.
If you stay with the regulars,
they do pretty much the same things all the time.
So and a lot of their regulars,
they're just wanting to get off.
So a lot of times they're fast and they're like, hey, thanks.
So yeah, he does like variety
and just getting different videos.
Yeah.
Now, can you when you think about to your old vanilla life
and like your life now?
Could you ever imagine not living like this?
I mean, if it all went away tomorrow,
would you be just totally fine with it?
It's like all just for Charlie?
Or was it something that you now that you've experienced it?
You are totally into it and would never go back
to just being with one person?
No, I could, I've told Charlie a hundred times
that if he said tomorrow we were done with this life,
I'm completely fine because of our relationship
that him and I have, we had it before,
I became I guess the hot life
and I feel that we would be just as fine
if he said tomorrow we're done.
And with our children,
there was times we went eight, nine months
where we couldn't even hook up with anybody.
Right, and you were totally fine.
Yeah, so it's not like we do this all the time,
three, four times a week.
I mean, it's hard to find people nowadays
and then find somebody that can host.
Yeah, yeah, I can imagine.
And then do you get, like is there a part of,
because there's a lot of videotaping going on
right from the beginning in New York,
I had a relationship that was a part of it.
Do you find that you have a little bit of an exhibitionist
and you do like the fact that you not only could see now
you're putting it online
on an only fans and having people watch, correct?
Yes, yeah, I do, because I mean,
I don't think I'm the best, I don't know.
I mean, I do, I think it makes me feel good
putting on a show and I wonder if I could on a good show.
I don't know.
I enjoy it.
Put do you enjoy the feedback that you get?
I mean, do you get a lot of feedback
if you've had a part of it for you?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It always makes me try any woman when some guy,
even some of the, I guess, wives or girls
that see the videos.
Oh my gosh, your body looks so great.
You must work hard for that,
because I'm sure there's a lot,
I have a lot of friends that think I wake up
and just look like this.
And I work, bust my ass off for it.
So it's nice when people,
actually compliment and, yeah, and say,
wow, you look amazing.
I mean, it makes me feel good, it makes me.
And I think just because how I was raised
and how I was brought up,
that self-conscious about my body.
Yeah, I always try to tell people,
because I was always lifting weights
even when I was like in my early 20s.
And nobody was at that time.
All the girls now in the back of the gym,
there's tons of girls now,
but when I used to work out with guys in the back
and did weights, there was never any girls around forever.
I was like, why did girls not get the memo?
Like, this is what you need to do to have a good body.
They were all like on the treadmill for 45 minutes.
Not one girl was in the back with me.
Now, every girl is in the back.
It's like it, they finally got the memo,
they finally got it.
And it's the reason why I still have a good body
in my 50s because I did work out with weights.
I mean, there is a reason why you do that.
And that's the best way to work out.
But I would always try to tell people like,
if you see a woman with muscles in her arms or in her legs,
like, you don't understand how much she has to work
to get that.
I mean, the fact that a woman would think,
oh, I'm going to lift weights, I'm going to look like a man.
It's like, you wish you could look like a man by lifting weights.
I mean, it takes so much work to get even a tiny bit of a bump
on there and get that tone in that muscle build
by women we are not loaded with testosterone.
So it's really hard work.
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So I always admire or appreciate and respect the work
that goes into a woman with a good body.
Because you don't, you just, you just,
it takes a lot of work.
You can't just have that, you know?
I mean, I think some people that did a lot of gymnastics
or a lot of swimming when they were younger,
very hardcore into sports,
sometimes hold that muscle in certain cultures, I think,
like white women now,
but you know, there's other cultures
where they have more muscle tone naturally,
but it's hard work and it is nice to be appreciated
because most people don't fucking get it unless they do it.
No, they don't, they don't.
So yeah, so I enjoy the feedback
and the compliments that come with it, so.
Yeah, so when you, when you're,
like, whose decision was it to start
and only fans and go out with these videos and stuff?
It was my husband's,
but everything he's like our SDC and the Twitters
and all that, I'm involved in everything.
So I can get on, it's not like he's set this up
and I can't see any bit.
I don't know passwords,
I can get on it all the time and look
and see what people are saying or comment.
Of course, he's always like the driving factor,
but it's not like you're not included.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's okay.
I'm like, that makes you guys a good team.
He does the stuff that you're not really that interested in,
but it's not like you're not doing this together.
You really are a team doing it together.
And then he'll say, here's the pictures I'm gonna post
or here's the videos, what you think
and of course, always critique everything.
So I'll tell you which one's on.
But yeah, so no, we're both involved in it.
And so when you started that,
I mean, were you leery about it?
Were you afraid because, listen, you're,
like you said, nobody in your life knows what you're doing.
I mean, did you have some reservations
about taking this into putting it online
and creating that only fans.
Yes, of course, I still do.
Just because of where I work, it's in our area.
I'm very known.
So I have to be real careful there.
But then I'm still always leery about the internet.
It's out there and of course, we blur faces and all that.
But it's out there, yeah.
So yeah, so that, I mean, it always makes me leery
in the back of my mind that I just,
I guess, try to tune it out
as long as I don't run into somebody I know.
But I mean, are you taping like,
because I think that the,
okay, you're taking your faces out, right?
But like the other thing that could get you in trouble
is if like you're doing it in your house or something
and somebody noticed, wait a second.
Like that's my aunt's house.
You know what I mean?
Like that's the Christmas tree she had up
when I was just over her house.
I know.
Those kind of things you gotta hide.
I always, if somebody's ever recognized
if they haven't said, hey, I've seen y'all on any fan.
So that's always in the back of my mind though.
But yeah.
But are you filming?
So where do you film?
Do you film like into what do people see?
Like is it you with other guys always
that you with your husband is it all of the above?
All of the above, some videos.
Well, yeah, some of the pictures are just me
by myself, the videos or me, the other guys,
me, my husband, me with both of them.
And right now it's mainly been it other people's
just because we can't host right now.
Uh-huh.
But if we do host, we have a game room upstairs
that most of our, when friends come over
then we'll go up there.
So most of us wouldn't even know what's up there.
So now have you ever done more than one guy
at the same time?
Yeah, most of them is five.
Oh, wow, like as if that's not a lot.
Well, I don't know if that is or not.
It is.
Okay.
I think that might be called gang gang.
Yeah, we've done a few of those.
He found somebody and they brought,
there was four then and then my husband.
And how was that for you?
It was good.
I would say it was a lot of fun
because I had all different ranges.
I had different ages, different sizes.
One was like a 19 year old who thought,
you know, he was just going to fuck forever and couldn't.
So it was a lot of fun.
Just it wasn't all just one.
I had a range.
Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.
How long did those gang bings last?
Like how many hours?
That one, I want gosh, that was the first one we did.
It was at his place.
With the 19 year old?
Yeah, yeah, and then some of the older guys.
It was probably about hour, hour and a half.
Wow.
Now it was funny when I talked to this woman recently,
Lily Sparks, she started like a porn site
when it's like porn for women more.
And it was interesting because she said that
one of the biggest things that women look for,
like categories and porn are gang bings.
I was like, oh, that's interesting, you know,
when I get, because I know guys like that,
you know, I didn't realize that's like a fantasy
for girls too.
Yeah, they're harder to set up
to try to get that many guys at one place at one time.
So unless a guy has a lot of friends that are in it too,
lately the few we've done were like with three
plus my husband so four, yeah.
We did one at a hotel.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, wow, that's so funny.
I always wonder if the people at the hotel
must know what's going on.
I always wonder that too.
Don't you think?
I mean, I know, I mean,
especially the ones, but we've never been to one,
but the ones where they run out like the whole floor.
Yeah.
I have to know what's going on.
Now, do you guys get involved in the lifestyle at all like outside?
I mean, it sounds like you're doing all this stuff when yourself,
like, do you ever, have you ever gone to a swingers club
or any kind of parties like that?
We went to one hotel party and it was not my scene at all.
The people were, it was very different to me.
I don't know what I was expecting,
but there were some when they weren't fucking there
and like, footed rabbit pajamas.
What kind of pajamas?
Like you're in the little kid you swear they zip up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She had those on with like rabbit ears on them.
But it wasn't like attractive.
It was a theme night.
Maybe it was like a pajama night PJ.
I don't know.
They have these.
They have these.
It was just very odd and they would fuck them and sit down and eat
some cheese and crackers and I'm like,
okay, this is my scene.
So we stayed a little bit.
Oh my god.
So yeah, and I slept a couple guys there
and then him and I both said, let's go.
It wasn't I guess the kind of people we would be with.
They were just very different.
So and that was only one we've done
other than just setting up ourselves.
So you tried it, but it just wasn't for you.
Yeah, that was for us.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that some people,
they would love that kind of social aspect of it.
When I hear it from your standpoint,
I'm like, oh, I'm right there with you.
I would think that that's weird too.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, doing it and then eating cheese
and then I don't know in the outfits.
It's not my thing either,
but I think everybody rolls a little different.
So yeah, that's probably just not the place for you.
Yeah, totally.
I think some people are more social.
That's more of a social environment.
Some people love those kind of a hotel takeovers
and they prefer that then hooking up with people
because for them that what you're doing is a little weird
because they don't know someone.
All that stress that you feel like meeting the new guys.
And I got a big crowd like having to sit and talk
and all that.
So I don't know if necessarily those,
some of those people, I think they may be friends.
There was people that just hang out all the time
and fuck all the time and maybe that was their group.
And I'm not really out there to make friends.
Yeah, it's a whole world.
And some people are into getting really involved
in that kind of a thing.
And some people are.
Yeah, I prefer to have my friends separate.
Can you recall the hottest time for you
or what you prefer?
Give me a couple stories before we end.
Like story that stands out as like the best one
or what is the stuff that you like the most?
I mean, so we've had some,
if I'm gonna go through all this and get dry a shower,
shave and everything, like I want to be fun and last awhile.
Yeah.
And so mine are the ones that can actually fuck good.
We went to one there and I didn't even look pussy
and I'm like, okay, what is this?
And we were gone within like 10 minutes.
And I was like, this is a complete wait to time.
I wanted to, if I'm doing this,
I want to be fine for everybody.
I want to enjoy it.
I want to feel good.
And to me, you can sometimes tell two,
the guys that just need to get off
or it versus the other guys that are into it too.
So you want a four-play?
You want them to go down on you.
Like you want it to be a whole thing, right?
You're not just a quick, a quickie.
You could have that at home with your husband, like you said.
Oh, yeah, if I need to do that, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, that's interesting.
And do you find that a lot of guys can perform or don't?
Like it's a more often that you get exactly
what you're looking for?
I would say some of the older men can,
the younger guys that think they can fuck forever can't.
So a lot of times that the younger guys,
they just want to get off.
We have one guy that he just, he'll call
and he just wants to get off.
And I know that's what he wants.
We go over there and within 20 minutes we're gone.
But sometimes you'll do that.
That's okay for you.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, he's a good fuck.
So I mean, I'm like, OK, I'll do it.
If he were bad, I'd be like, yeah, we're not doing this.
But he's good, but he's just not one of those long goers.
Now, do you know what the demographics are
of the guys coming besides age?
Do you know if these guys are married or not?
Do you ask those questions?
Do you not care?
No, I have no idea, except for the ones
that there have been a few that say,
I'm married, this is very discreet.
So I do.
There have been a few that said that.
Other than that, I have no idea.
And I don't want to know.
Right, right, right.
It's not about that.
Now, do you, I mean, when you're having these hookups now
that you haven't only found like, do you let them know
it's going to be tape?
What's the deal with that?
Or do you have specific people that you work with for that?
No, we let them know upfront that it will be asked
and if they're going to, and there's some that say,
no, I'm sorry, I can't do that.
And then that's fine.
And but others, we tell them at front.
And then we do let them know their flights,
flights, the faces are blurred.
And then Charlie will sometimes send him a small clip
of what he taped showing him.
This is what we taped and we're going to post it.
And so they, and they get to say yes or no, kind of thing.
Yeah, but a lot of them at front, because he tells them
ahead of time, we're doing this.
We want to tape it.
And a lot of times that front, they say yes or no
before we even go meet them.
But you'll still meet people that won't tape
because you're just like them.
I mean, you're not just doing it.
It's because a lot of times sometimes, like,
once in a while, I won't have someone on,
they haven't only been to be like, oh, another person
with the only fans, because I think some people are still
attached to the past as if someone that's doing this
and doing it just for the money.
Now everyone has it, okay?
Sorry, like it's hard to find someone that doesn't have
an only fan.
It's too much to keep up with.
Yeah, but it is what it is.
But anyone now can go online and do whatever.
And so a lot of people are doing it,
but it doesn't necessarily mean that people are doing it
just for the money.
I mean, you guys were doing this way before you decided
to do OnlyFans.
You guys have been doing this for fun, for free,
in your own private life, since Craigslist was around.
Okay, so I know how long that was ago, okay?
Because that's why I used Craigslist for my show.
That was many years ago, way before you could do OnlyFans.
You're not a girl that's a hot wife for any other reason.
Then this is something that you're doing with your husband
and OnlyFans is like a why not, why not?
It's kind of thing, right?
And we go out so many times and not video.
Charlie be like, he looks like a decent person
or he has a couple guys that can do it too, let's just go.
And we do, and we don't video, and that's fine.
We have a good time.
It doesn't always have to be videoed.
Yeah, that's great.
So listen, Lucy, I love this story.
People love to hear the woman's side of things.
Like I said, I don't even remember Charlie's episode,
but I love your story, even if it wasn't with Charlie.
It's super interesting for a vanilla,
like a very vanilla, you know?
I mean, yes, I was very.
You're like very vanilla, soccer moms, stay at home.
Girl, and now, I mean, look at what you're doing,
having gang bangs and stuff.
And you still sound like a, like you talk like a vanilla girl.
You don't live like one.
I do, that's what I was when Charlie asked me to do this.
I'm like, I'm not gonna be able to sound like all the other people
because that's still nobody would ever guess what I do.
The thing is they found out that I'd be completely shocked
because I'm the most vanilla person.
Yeah, but I think that that's part of your appeal.
Don't you think, Lucy?
I mean, I think that's how you pitch yourself.
And I think that's what people are gonna really love
about the story because you're still,
you're having gang bangs, you're doing this bit roasting.
You don't even know, you don't even know the terms.
But like I said, you're not, but you're living it.
And so I think that that's like the perfect girl
whatever guy wants.
The one that presents as the soccer mom,
but we went behind closed doors.
Oh my goodness, look what Lucy is doing.
So I think guys are gonna love this episode
because you're that way, you know what I mean?
And we're not explicit or whatever.
It kind of adds to it.
Send me more picks for my Patreon.
This is the thing now.
I didn't have it when your guy called in,
when Charlie called in, but what I have now
is a Discord attached to my Patreon.
So you'll send me some like just like sexy picks
like R rated for my Patreon.
For me, that's what I put like R rated stuff.
But if you wanna then go on,
because you called into my show,
you'll get into my Discord for free.
You could do anything on there.
So you could post like clips of your only fans
to get people over and there's over a thousand people
on there and that's where you could like introduce yourself
on Lucy Charlie could go in because he does everything
and be like, hey, my wife Lucy,
look at a thing of her come to my,
you could promote your only fans,
you could post your X rated stuff there, okay?
And I'll give you guys free access to that.
So listen Lucy, thank you so much for calling in.
Like I said, I love this story.
I know my listeners are gonna love it.
Why don't you give a shout out to everything
like your Twitter and stuff.
I will put a link.
Do you have like a link tree one link thing
or do you want me to put your only fans off?
Like what do you want me to put up?
Well, I have my sites that I have.
I don't know how to do a one link tree.
Okay, that's fine.
So just give a shout out now
and then I'll put links in the description for you.
Okay, Texas Lucy is our only fans.
Texas Lucy XXX is our Twitter
and Lucy and I 289 is our SDC.
Okay, awesome.
So I'll put all those.
I'll follow you on Twitter and make sure to tag you over there
when I promote your episode.
It's gonna be up ASAP.
Send me the pics.
People could see you over on Patreon.
You're gonna send me some sexy pics over there
and then you'll also be on my Discord.
But and tell Charlie for thank you for hooking us up
because I'm sure he told you to come on the show.
Yeah, he did.
Yeah, yeah, it's awesome.
But thanks so much for calling in Lucy.
It's gonna be a great episode and it'll be up on Monday.
So get ready to have some lots of new followers.
All right, thank you.
Thanks Lucy.
Bye.
Bye.
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