694 - FETISH FRIDAY: John is Into Wearing Panties and Hookng-up with Guys
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Today I have on John.
I love John's story.
He's interesting.
He's a 31-year-old guy.
He's still super young.
And when he was around 18,
he started doing crazy things.
This is the guy that currently likes to wear panties.
And when he's wearing panties,
he likes to blow guys.
And it's not like he was typical,
like a lot of my other guys that are into panties fetish,
where he was stealing his mom's panties when he was really little
or realized he was into panties when he was like seven years old.
I mean, he didn't realize this until he was around 18.
So around 18, he's just like a super horny guy.
And he decides to like,
go to a glory hole.
Okay, that was his first experience.
Go to a glory hole and get his like dick sucked.
He didn't know it was going to be a guy.
And he had that experience.
And he loved it.
And he talks all about that.
And then around that same time,
like he explains a situation that happened,
whereas a girl just left some panties on the floor
and he picked them up because they looked super hot to him.
And he put them on.
And he like fucking loved it.
So they went back to the glory hole that time with that on.
And he realized he liked being watched
and being seen wearing the panties.
He's got a very slutty side to him.
He likes people to see him in the panties.
He was getting blown at first.
But then eventually he blew somebody.
The first time he blew somebody,
it's a really interesting story.
He'll hear that.
He talks about that.
And then after he blew someone once,
he really got into it.
And that's what he prefers now.
To wear his panties.
Get in touch with the feminins part of him.
And suck a dick.
He likes to be kind of slutty.
He did the glory hole thing.
And then he stopped for a little while.
He did some online stuff.
He talks about.
He once went to a gay sauna and hooked up with two guys.
He talks about that experience and details.
He does very much have an exhibitionist side in him.
When I asked him the question,
did you ever get caught?
That turned into a whole conversation
about how he loves kind of people seeing him,
wearing, seeing him buying.
He likes getting caught.
Not by people that he knows,
but being out in public.
He's super naughty.
He's one of those guys that is,
I really like women.
He's very attracted to women.
He's not attracted to guys.
But when he's wearing panties,
and he's in that situation,
and he feels feminine,
that's when he's interested in having a dick in his mouth.
He does talk about how other things
beyond blow jobs has presented itself to him with guys.
He talks about whether he's done it or not.
All that kind of good stuff.
He talks about the kind of panties he likes,
why he likes being slutty,
and all that.
So anyway,
he did some of the picture,
and a picture of his panties stash.
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But anyway, I'm going to be right back on with John.
This is the strictly anonymous podcast.
Hi, John.
Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast.
How are you today?
How are you, Cassie?
I'm good, thanks.
How are you?
I'm good.
You're calling from someplace else,
other than the United States.
I love when people call in from other places,
because I'm always obsessed with the accents.
Can I ask you a question?
Like people in other places?
Are they obsessed with the American accent?
Or is it so uninteresting to you guys?
Because it's uninteresting to me.
I think it's a case for case basis, I think.
It's uninteresting, I'm just fucking right.
Yeah.
Like Australian accents are great.
British accents.
But American is so lame and boring.
I don't know.
I was just wondering if it's just the fact that it's not the same
that everyone's interested.
So listen, John.
The deal is you were into pantyhose.
You love wearing,
I'm not pantyhose.
Sorry panties.
You like wear G-strings panties.
You also hook up with dudes.
Glory holes, that kind of situations.
While wearing, you play online.
You've had massages with man blah, blah, blah, right?
It's all that kind of good stuff.
Where I like to typically start with the fetish episode.
It's like really early on in the beginning.
When did you realize, and typically it's very young,
but sometimes it's not.
You know, when did you really realize that you were into panties?
Yeah.
So obviously I've listened to lots of your shows
and the other guys on there that are into panties and pantyhose.
And that sort of thing, they do discover it quite young.
I guess I was a bit different.
I never really was into that or knew I was into that, I guess,
until about 18.
So obviously left school, left, left home,
not living at home with the parents anymore.
And 18-year-old guy, I think you can imagine,
very horny all the time.
Yeah.
And that sort of thing.
And this was a few years ago now.
So I'm not really sure how it happened.
It was a website or something of the sorts
where one afternoon or late night I was on there
and just scaring the deep web, I guess,
and then came across this site where they said there was a glory hole,
like sort of really close to where I lived.
Well, there was two actually, really close to where I lived.
And 18-year-old guy couldn't get laid.
That sort of thing.
I decided to head there the next day.
So I went there, nervous as hell.
It was in the back of a sex shop.
Went in there, got changed, changed my cash for some coins,
into these little booths.
Didn't really know what to do.
Sort of went inside and started watching some porn.
And then these two little fingers come through the hole.
And like that's sort of what I've, what I've read,
that is the signal to put your cock through the hole.
So I did.
And that was probably the first time I got sucked by a guy.
I didn't know it was a guy, but I assumed that it was a guy.
And yeah, I mean, that was like amazing.
It was like the best blowjob I've ever had,
not that I'd had hundreds by Thomas 18, but it was amazing.
Yeah, interesting.
Now you knew, though, it's not like you're playing dumb here.
You knew going in there that 100% of the time on the other side,
there is going to be a guy.
And this is going to be a guy on guy experience, correct?
Or were you a little naive because you're only 18?
And you never been that maybe it'll be a girl.
I don't know.
No on you.
Okay.
Now did you ever know because I was really asking you to go back
and tell me like when you realize you're into panties.
But this is, this is like when you realize you're into dude.
So before 18, no sign that you're into panties as well as no sign
that you were into guys at all before then.
Well, no, not really.
So I guess that was, that was the back story.
And I'll probably miss a bit, but when I was in that booth,
I knew there was someone a guy on the booth next to me
and I could sort of feel him watching me through the hole.
And I really liked, I was completely naked in there.
And I really liked being watched as well.
So after that experience that leads me on to where I got into the panties.
I guess I was sort of seeing this girl.
And she'd left one of her lacy G strings at my house.
And then the next time I went, I just decided to wear that.
I don't know why it just just just decided to wear it.
And I really wanted to be seeing wearing it.
And that was the best place for it.
So the next time I went, I stripped down to everything but that.
And I could feel someone watching me through the hole
and they actually watched a bit longer.
And to before they put their fingers through for the signal, I guess.
And yeah, that felt, that felt really hot.
Wow.
So you see her panties on the floor and you don't even know why.
But you think to yourself like out of the blue, I want to put those on and wear them.
Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah, like I saw them there.
I'm really horny.
They were super sexy, super sexy, like stringy, really small, tight.
Yeah.
And then it's just as soon as I put them on, I just felt more horny than I've been ever at that stage.
And I really wanted someone to see me in them, right?
Right, because you already knew, because of that first experience,
that something about being seen was super hot too.
Correct?
To you already.
Like you realize you're a little bit of an exhibitionist maybe.
Yeah.
So at that time, I didn't know what an exhibition was, but yeah.
Sounds like one.
I think everyone has a little bit of both exhibitionist lawyer in them.
Maybe, right?
And sometimes you don't know until you're in the experience.
I went to a nude beach with a guy boyfriend of mine when I was younger.
And that was the first time I was ever like naked in front of people.
And there was something hot about being naked outside in front of people.
And I didn't know that until I was in the experience, right?
So I think sometimes you wouldn't know unless you've been there, done that.
Yeah, exactly right, exactly right.
So when you went with the panties on and the guy is speaking through,
was that ticket, it took it up a notch for you?
Yeah.
A hundred percent.
I could tell that he was watching me.
And I'm just wearing them and stroking, I guess.
And then, yeah, it was just, it was awesome.
And I was like, oh, my God, I'm 18.
And this is totally new to me.
And like you say, I didn't realize I was an exhibitionist.
And then, yeah, it was just so hot.
Oh, my God.
And now you're wearing panties where you confuse at all or just so fucking horny that you didn't care.
That was like you were so fucking horny didn't care.
Pretty much like at that stage.
I would have, I would have opened the booth door and let anyone see me.
But yeah, I mean, obviously there was much confusion around that time in my life.
Yeah, I mean, because there you are, a guy who had only been with women,
never realized you're into guys or panties.
And now you're really up in your game.
So do you just become like a regular at the glory hole?
I guess so.
Yeah, I mean, from being online and having passed the place,
I could always say those people in this house.
I wouldn't say I was the most regular.
But you kept going.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, kept going.
Yeah, for sure.
And then so you're doing this behind your girlfriend's back.
So you're technically cheating.
Correct.
Like living a double life.
Yeah.
Yeah, basically.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And let me just fast forward real quick to right now.
Are you in a relationship now?
Are you still living a secret life?
I mean, we're going to go back to where we left off.
But I'm just wondering like currently,
are you still living a secret life
and doing this kind of stuff behind a woman's back?
No, not at the moment.
I mean, I see girls here and there,
but nothing serious says yet.
Okay, so you're not tied up or in a relationship
or anything like that.
So you're single.
So you could do whatever you want.
No.
Okay, cool.
So at that time, do you continue to keep using your girls panties?
Yeah, so I do.
I'll keep that there for a long time.
And I really loved wearing it.
And I'm wearing it to the glory hole.
Yeah.
So I used to keep, like you say,
became a bit of a regular.
And I'll go in there.
And they had to back entrance or a front entrance.
So when I'd go through the front entrance, obviously,
it was a sex shop as well, right?
Yes.
We're out the back.
And they would have all the laundry
and panties and that and stuff there.
So one time, I'm wondering through
and I'm getting my cash change for coins.
And I see the panties.
And I just decide to wander over.
And have a breath of a browse, I guess.
And then bought a couple of pairs at the counter
and then just walked down to the booth
and stripped off and put them on.
So that's when I started sort of owning my own pairs, I guess.
Having your own panty stash.
Yeah, correct.
Yeah.
And so now, at this point, are you living on your own?
So it's easy to hide it.
No, at that point, I lived in a share house with some friends for three.
Oh, my God.
You never got busted yet?
No, never been busted.
Not unintentionally, no.
And I feel like a guy, listen,
if you got a bunch of hot panties in your drawer,
you could always be like, oh, I steal these from the girls
I fuck or something.
I mean, you could kind of lie about it.
Most people would 100% or 99% believe more so
that those are from girls than they are you wearing them.
Yeah, yeah, that would be, yeah.
More more than true for where I was at in my life.
Then, generally, if that ever happened, yeah.
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Yeah, nobody would believe that you were wearing them.
You could easily just be like, oh, these are left over
from girls I love them, they're so fucking hot.
So wait, so now when you're doing this
and guys are blowing you,
did you ever turn around and put your finger inside
and say, come here, put your dick in a new suck to dick?
Have we done that ever happen?
So I thought about that every time I went
and I'm sitting there completely naked
from like a lacy little thong or something like that
and I thought about it every time.
But I don't know, situational.
So the guys were probably, before I could bring up the courage to do it,
they were putting their fingers through, right?
Don't get me wrong, it did eventually happen
but it took about a year or even a little bit longer.
I went in there into the shop one day
and it was sort of like just before closing time, I guess.
And I see the guy behind the can
and I changed my cash for the coins.
I walk into the booth, I close it,
I realize all the other booths, you know, are empty.
So I'm a bit disappointed, I'm thinking, oh God, you know,
I've waited too long and it's just about to close.
Yeah.
And then I hear him close up the shop
and he sort of walks,
I hear him walking down into the booth next to me.
I thought, oh, I'm going to get my dick sucked.
Yeah.
And then he glises the booth
and then he just puts his cock through.
With the guy that you just bought from,
the guy that works there?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, that's fucking hilarious.
Okay, so he put it in and you went for it?
Yeah, basically.
So I've never done it before or I was nervous as shit.
And then, yeah, so I sort of got off the little chair
that's in there and onto my knees and put the end in my mouth
and then sort of went from there, yeah.
Listen, you're a young guy at that time.
Was this an older guy or was he young too?
Yeah, no, he was old.
He was probably maybe in his 40s, I guess.
Yeah, he probably saw you coming all the time.
You're like a hot piece of ass to him.
He was, which is a weight in front of that moment.
I think so, right?
Because like I say, it was sort of like the etiquette
of the thing was to put your fingers through if you wanted it.
Yeah, but he'd seen me come in there lots of times
and he'd seen me buying the panties
and he knew I was wearing those panties.
So he probably didn't realize how I was going in there
to get my dick stuff.
He probably thought I was going in there all the time
and sucking dick, right?
Yeah, that's what the guy wearing panties is normally doing.
He's the submissive.
He's on his knees.
Yeah, exactly.
So he just went in there and closed up the shop
and then put his dick through.
And then I was like, oh my god, this is my first dick, right?
Yeah.
And how was that for you?
It was probably one of the best experiences I've ever had, right?
It was like, it just felt so, so naughty knowing that he knew I was in there
and knew I was probably wearing some sort of panties.
And then just being on my knees,
I can't even remember what G-string it was,
but I was definitely really slutty
and then working a cock in my mouth was like, oh my god,
I was ready to explode.
Did you swallow?
And that time, no, I didn't.
I sort of, I didn't know.
It sounds weird.
I didn't really know how to do it.
And so I'm doing it with my mouth and then sort of jacking him off
at the same time.
And then, yeah, I must have come up for breath at the same time as he sort of
come and he sort of come on me, I guess.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But eventually you wind up swallowing down the line.
Yeah, eventually I do.
That's so funny, though.
But I mean, because I'm assuming you continue to go to that glory hole place,
numerous times after that experience,
was it weird seeing that guy or was it like who gives a fuck?
No, sort of like who gives a fuck?
It was like, we would make just the same small chitchat,
small talks sort of stuff and that was it.
That was the only time I actually ever blew him or did anything with him.
It was just, yeah, it was just that one time where I went just before closing
to him and the opportunity arose, I guess, for him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It doesn't mean anything to anyone in that scenario.
So it is what it is.
That's interesting.
So then after you suck that dick and it was like so amazing.
Now were you wanting to go back to be when that position more?
Yeah, it was sort of obviously I wanted to try it again and feel that,
I guess, feel that sort of dynamic where, yeah,
like I am a bit more submissive than on my knees and just wearing panties
and having someone see me, just wearing panties on my knees
and then servicing them.
Of course, yeah, I went back.
Oh my goodness.
In this whole time, are you still dating this girl?
The panties girl that you stole the panties from?
Not by then.
Okay.
Just sort of usual 19-year-old guy saying girls here and there.
Because that's the thing, right?
I probably consider myself bisexual but more attracted to women.
I'm not actually attracted to men as such.
I'm just attracted to that situation.
Yeah, I love these kinds of sentences because if you just hear it,
the sentence, it doesn't make any sense.
But look at what you just followed up with and if I really question you,
it does, it can make sense.
Like a lot of people would say he's sucking dick but he's not into guys at all.
I mean, come on, it makes no sense.
But like you're saying, it's more when you're in that scenario
and it's the scenario that makes it hot.
Correct?
It's not the guy.
Like a guy out of that scenario doesn't work.
Like a guy cuddling in your bed or a guy coming to your house.
I don't know, does that not work for you or does that work for you?
Yeah.
Now that you have hit the nail on the head there, that's exactly right.
I'd get justice turned on or nearly justice turned on if a girl ever said to me,
I want you to wear this pair of panties out in public and I want you to let them
ride above your pants so I can see them or whatever.
If that was a girl or a guy, it would turn me on just as much.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, it's not about the guy.
It's about you wearing the panties.
And it's whoever could get you off and look at you while you're doing it.
It just so happened that the glory hole guys are fucking pigs.
So they have places like this.
No girls run places like that.
I mean, there's not many places where girls are going to be down to do that.
And if there are places like that, you got to pay a lot of money.
Okay, no girls are giving it for free.
But guys are such fucking horn dogs that they're all giving it for free at glory holes.
Yeah, exactly.
And I never experienced that.
I believe there was girls or couples, I guess, that went there.
But I mean, I went there a lot and never saw it.
But yeah, you're 100% right.
Right, right, right.
Oh my god.
So like real quick, one question is, did it ever progress to you doing anything other than
blow jobs?
I mean, because you can get fucked in the ass in a glory hole right if you just turn around.
I mean, I'm assuming more goes down sometimes in those places.
Yeah, it never did for me.
You're right.
You're probably good.
But it never did for me.
And it never has.
I still haven't ever done that.
I don't know.
It's just not a, not a turn on for me.
So I've never really tried it.
I've had lots of guys asked me to do it.
Uh-huh.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, yeah.
For sure.
I mean, lots of guys that I see or meet up with really wanted to do that, right?
I mean, I don't judge anyone for what they're into.
So the opportunity has been presented and you have turned it down.
So you know that you're obviously not into it or else you would have.
Because it was, it's been in front of you offer.
And you say the guys that I've met up with.
So do you eventually start meeting people online?
Because you did mention like, you know, besides the online thing.
Like did you eventually start going online and meeting guys outside of that place
and other places?
Or was it always in that bookstore?
It was in there for many years because I was like, it was like I'd found a thing
and it was perfect and I worked so well and turned me on.
So not for many years, but yeah, eventually I did.
I eventually found other places online.
Like I said, there was another, another place pretty much just five hundred meters
up the road that was that had the same set up.
So I went there as well.
And then I think probably my first time out of that environment
was at a gay sauna.
So that was sort of like in the just outside of the nightclub district
in the town that I was living in at the time.
And then I'd heard about it online and sort of thought it'd be really hot to go there one time
because everyone's completely naked.
And like I want to be seen naked, right?
So I'd been out nightclubing with some friends and they'd all go home
and I just started all I know where this place is.
So I went there and yeah, that was sort of the only, that was the first time
after just doing it through a glory hole where I'd actually suck someone off face-to-face
or not face-to-face.
But yeah.
And let me ask you this.
It's maybe only because I live in New York City.
Do I just see every single gay man is a fucking ten?
Okay?
But I just wonder are the gay men hotter than the straight guys that are on the DL
getting their dick sucked at the adult bookstore?
Like when you walk in the gay sauna where you're like, wow,
these guys are really fucking hot or were they all the same kind of guys
that you're seeing or else?
I don't know.
I'd say it was probably half and half.
There were some guys in there that were like, you say, like a gay, heartthrob
and fit and a similar age, probably not as young as males, young 20s.
Those guys were around the 30 age and then there were some guys that were like the 50s
and sort of similar situation to me.
No doubt.
There was probably some married guys in there.
Yeah, those were the guys that they were like, that sort of thing.
Those were the guys that didn't like that sort of thing.
Yeah.
So, yeah, there was all types in there for sure.
Oh, okay.
So how was that experience when you went there?
I mean, because listen now you're an exhibitionist.
Do you realize you're also a lawyer?
Because I would assume inside that gay sauna.
I don't know.
Is everyone just like getting it on and you could just see it all around you?
Well, not really.
There was a little bit of that, but it was mainly there was sort of like a heap of rooms
like one where at the, like at the spa.
One where as an actual sauna, one where as showers and one where as like a bit of a makeshift cinema.
But yeah, there was and then there was like private rooms as well.
That weren't so private, I guess they were just darker rooms with no doors on them.
And then there was actually private rooms.
But yeah, it was there was all sorts, but it was what I like the most about it was going in and taking all my clothes off and just wandering around and jumping in the spa
or making a little bit of chitchat and seeing all these eyes on me and then going into the sauna
and just relaxing completely naked and free, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like my experience at the nude beach.
It's a definite freeing experience.
And especially because you had a little bit of exhibitionist and you had probably turned you on.
And so then you started hooking up with guys like, how do you wind up knowing who wants to hook up?
What's the tell?
I mean, I know in the glory also in six or fingers they go, come here.
What's the sign in the gay sauna that you know, two guys hook up and go in a private room?
Is it just people start chatting with you?
Is there any other kind of cues?
Well, that was the only time I've been and I was in the like makeshift cinema room.
I guess just just watching some porn and then these two guys came up to me and said, would you like to go to a private room?
All right, so they just direct like man.
Yeah, just straight up.
Let's go fuck.
Yeah.
So that was the only one time you went and so you hooked up with a couple?
Yeah, I don't know if they were couples, so it wasn't the best experience.
I went in there with the private room with them and they're sort of playing with me and then kissing each other.
I'm not into kissing and and then they'd sort of like kissing my neck and my body.
And then I sort of just playing with both of them and then I sort of dropped my knees and start sucking them one by one, which they really loved.
And I loved and I was like, oh my god.
And then the door was open into this little private room.
It was kind of dark and I could hear people watching and walking by and that sort of thing.
And that was a huge turn on for me.
And then after a little bit, they sort of wanted to take it further and and do other stuff that I just didn't.
I wasn't really into it.
I was more I would have been happy to sit there, you know, for the next hour on my knees and be watched sort of pleasing to guys at once.
But yeah, they wanted to do more.
So they wanted more is some anal action, whether topping or bottom or whatever.
Yeah, correct.
Yeah, yeah.
So that was the only time you went. You never went back.
No, I never went back.
I sort of moved to another city then and then I sort of I sort of fell out of that sort of thing.
I started picking up more girls and I'm about 2021 more than and and like I said, I still enjoy girls more.
And yeah, if I could have girls on tap luck, I could have guys on tap.
I would probably never have a guard.
It's much harder to like you said before, guys are horn dogs and they'll try to anything.
No, I think you're smart.
I always tell a lot of my guy friends who are such horn dogs always looking to fuck.
I'm like, you'd be happier if you were gay because you would be getting more of what you want.
But you're kind of like you want girls, but you're fucking horny and it's just easier to get guys.
So you go there.
That's kind of smart.
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Other guys don't have the ball or maybe the desire to do it.
Yeah, that's it.
And then that sort of, so for a few years, it sort of just became a bit more of an online play.
Yes, as there's the internet involved and there's kick and that sort of thing and Snapchat.
And I'll just sort of play with guys online rather than in person.
And I really like that because it was like, I would find guys that wanted to see me wearing this stuff and direct me.
And that sort of thing on camera or take pictures or go out in public and buy a pair and then put it on and take a picture out in public.
And that sort of thing.
I did that for many years and I'll still do a little bit of that now.
So that was like online stuff.
While you were like with girls in real life, you were getting those kinds of needs met online.
Yeah.
How old are you now?
Nearly 31.
Okay.
So, okay.
So then what happens?
When do you go back into another phase where you start seeing guys in real life?
Yeah.
So, yeah, that was probably for quite a few years.
And I guess one of the things then was I was sort of like I moved to a smaller city.
So it was I wasn't really comfortable.
So these guys were like all over the world, right?
So it was a lot easier.
There was no chance of being found out or anything like that.
It was like in in my private home and or sometimes outside.
But you know, it was like that was it.
Talk to them once or twice or three times and then I'm not going to bump into them down the street.
And no one's going to see me sneaking into a case or something like that.
So it was a lot easier.
And then then I moved back to a big city.
And I'd still be talking to guys online.
And they would be like, well, why don't we meet up, right?
So yeah.
And that's that's how it got back into sort of meeting up with guys in real life.
And how did those situations go?
That was good.
Mainly good.
So, you know, I don't do it a lot.
And I haven't done it a lot, but sort of once every few months, every six months, maybe.
I'll meet a guy online.
I'm super horny.
He's really into me wearing panties and and I like to think I'm a fairly good looking guy.
So if there's a guy that's into a guy wearing panties, I think I'm the guy for them, right?
So.
And then I would meet up with them and and yeah, I found I just got to be straight with them.
I just want to, if we meet up, this is what I'm into, right?
I'm into, you know, you're just sitting, yeah, you're just sitting back.
I want you to tell me to take my clothes off.
I want you to maybe tell me to get on my knees.
I want if they're into it.
I want them to tell me to try on different panties for them and give them a little show as such.
And then, yeah, and then just blow them.
It's interesting because he did start out for a long time like that first year in the glory hole.
It was really you just servicing the guys, but really once you got on your knees,
that became something that you were more into.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For sure.
And don't get me wrong.
I love getting blown as well.
Yeah.
So.
And it'll surprise you.
There's, I meet more guys that are into blowing than there are into receiving blow jobs.
So.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
For sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'll let you try and all your panties here and I want to see it.
And then I'll blow you.
And I'm like, well, I'll blow you if you wanted.
And they're like, well, and that's fine.
I'll blow you in as well.
So.
Well, look, you're the same as them.
That's you're the same as them.
Both of you are there.
You're both our guys, and you both rather blow than get blown.
Interesting.
I would think it's the opposite.
Yeah.
And a lot of people probably do.
I think that they're not the problem.
But the thing with that is usually, if I go there and I suck a guy off and then he comes,
his desire to want to suck me off after that is going down a bit.
Oh, my God.
If not totally, right?
I mean, come on.
They're like dot.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's so interesting.
And what do you took?
Do you have a type that you look for?
Are you into size?
Do you not care?
I mean, what is, what do you look for?
And a guy that you're going to go meet up with?
Well, I guess what I'm looking for is fairly fit body, even though I'm not really attracted
to guys, just I'd just prefer a more fit guy that takes care of himself.
And I've got to be attracted to his cock.
So yeah, it has to have a good looking cock.
I don't really know how to describe that until I see it, right?
And I prefer them not to be hairy.
So that's, that's what I prefer.
Oh, interesting.
And now what do you find is a lot of time on the receiving end of your emails or texts
or where you're looking?
I mean, there's a lot of married guys.
There's a lot of gay men.
Is it a lot of guys doing something on the DL?
It's probably a mix.
I mean, there is lots of married guys, 100% there's lots of married guys.
But it's probably even married gay and guys like me, right?
That no one really knows what they're doing.
They're just, they like doing it, but they're not ready to come out or tell anyone.
And they're happy with that.
So it's probably an even mix, which is, there's lots of married guys, 100%.
There's lots of married guys or guys that say they're not married.
But it's so obvious when they're like, oh no, I can only meet at this time for 45 minutes.
Yeah.
Definitely not at my house.
And that sort of thing, right?
Oh my god, I had a guy once on my show.
He wanted a couple of times his name was Tre.
Very early on when I used to have to go on to Craigslist and look for people.
And Tre would do these 24 hour blue job extravaganza.
Like he would just, he just wanted to suck a lot of jokes and swallow a lot of calm.
And he set up events.
He had a guy that worked for him.
And he was like a whole thing when he said he brought up the fact that he would see.
Like guys would obviously take off their wedding rings before they came inside.
But he could see the indentations still on there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've heard that a few times where I was saying like the tan line.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh my god.
I know it still is a thing that some of you people aren't admitting.
Because I get them on my show.
A lot of guys talking about a lot of the married guys talking about it.
What do you do when you're in relationships?
Have you ever been in a long-term relationship with a girl?
Yeah, yeah.
I've been in a few.
And then I just, I've never told any of the girls.
Yeah, yeah.
That's why I was like that or that I mean to that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I've never, when I'm in a committed relationship as such and we're exclusive or whatever
you want to call it, then I just, just do.
Probably the most I do then is, is the occasional online thing.
But I've never really met up with anyone then.
No.
Right.
And now, do you find that when you are with a girl and you're not getting your needs met as far as like sucking a deck?
But what about the panties thing?
Are you wearing behind her back underneath your clothes at work?
Or is it that you want her to wear panties for you?
I mean, how do you get your fix with your panty wearing?
Yeah.
So I love girls in panties as well.
It's not just wearing them.
Right.
So I love, and often when I'm in a relationship or I'll buy lots of panties and sexy panties for the girls to wear.
Yeah.
I still wear them.
I still, you know, I'll wake up one morning and like I'm going to work and I've just working
up so horny and all I want to do is just wear like a lacy thong.
And so I'll put it on in that feeling all day knowing, you know, people all around me and knowing that I'm wearing that under my clothes
is like a huge turn on for me.
So yeah, I'll still, I'll still do that for sure.
I want to do a thing every one day on at one time at 4 p.m.
All across the world that everybody just takes a bunch of guys and locks them in a room.
Like maybe it's like a hundred.
It makes them drop their pants.
I mean, how many guys are wearing panties, panty hoes, you know, all kinds of things.
I'm like, and it would be more than you think.
Yeah.
I just, I just, I've heard these stories before and I'm always like, my mind thinks, oh my god, what if you got in a car accident?
What if you had a stroke at work?
I don't know, broke your leg and they had to rip your pants off.
I don't know.
I get so paranoid like that.
I don't know that I could ever do anything on the deal like that because I would be so petrified.
I would ever get caught.
Have you ever got caught in any way, shape or form?
No, not really.
That feeling for me is real big turn on as well.
So like I say, I get most of my pant, my panties now from either like, sex shops or like,
big department stores where I go in and I pretend I'm buying something else.
And then I go to the women's underwear section and and grab some and then go like through the checkout or usually through the self serve checkouts.
I have these days, but you know, through the checkouts and knowing people knowing that they're sort of for me is a big turn on.
I've never been caught, but I like for people to kind of see.
Yeah, I'll wear them in public often when I'm feeling really horny and let them ride above my gene line.
If I bend down to get something from the bottom shelf in a store or something like that, then if people see or accidentally on purpose see, I guess is a huge turn on for me as well.
Yeah, so then I'm glad I asked that question because it's actually a more interesting answer.
I mean, sometimes it is interesting when people get caught.
I like to hear those stories, but the fact that you're turned on by that is interesting.
It's a thing and I think some people have that and some people don't.
I think it probably goes or it's very in line with the exhibitionist in you, right?
Yeah, that's really true.
Yeah, that you would like to you bend over, you want people to see.
But with your friends, I mean like how do you present in real in the real in your real life?
The people with your guy friends be so fucking shocked that there was a night that you left them and went to the gaze on and hooked up with two guys.
Would they be like, you got to be kidding me.
Not John, he's like the most street dude ever.
Yeah, I think so.
Like that, my friends would be so shocked.
My friends are cool.
Yeah.
All of my friends are cool.
I think if I ever told them, they would be more shocked than you could imagine.
But they would accept it.
So if I am wearing them around my friends and that, it's more, I'll never pull them up above my pants.
And I'm always sort of making sure they don't ride up accidentally above my pants, but the feeling of wearing them is really hot.
But if I'm out for myself or I've been talking to a guy online and he's, well, why don't you go buy a pair.
So I'll go out and buy a pair.
And I'm texting him, I bought this pair and now I'm wearing it.
And so I'll pull them up and yeah, that's right.
It's just all that build up and that energy and how it makes me feel slutty and a bit naughty that I'm wearing these.
And this guys will make sure you pull them up and someone may see you and that just turns me on like you wouldn't believe.
Yeah, and it's interesting.
I've heard this more so from a lot of people who fully cross dress.
And I'm going to ask you that's going to be one of my next questions is whether you've ever thought to put on any other female clothing.
But a lot of times when people guys are into dressing up, the really the only time they want to be with guys is when they put on that feminine thing and feel feminine when they are in their male form and presenting as a male they're not as interested.
Do you have any of that going on?
Yeah, that's that's pretty much the same.
I'm not really into cross dressing.
I haven't tried it as such because I'm not interested in it.
Yeah, probably the most I've done when I'm really horny.
And it wasn't that long ago.
Actually, I was away in a different city for work and staying in a hotel and really horny and didn't know anyone.
And I went to a sex shop and I bought full laundry, stockings, that sort of thing.
And I put it all on and it did turn me on, but it was.
I've never really worn a dress or a wig or makeup or anything like that, but I never want to suck a dick when I'm when I'm wearing.
It makes you feel feminine, submissive.
It sort of triggers this other part of you.
I mean, that's what was always interesting for me to find out.
And it makes sense if you really hear it when someone explains it.
But I think if you've never heard someone explain it, does it make sense?
Because some guys are like, I don't like guys.
But if I'm dressed as a girl, I do.
But I'm not when I'm in my male form.
It's not so hypocritical.
But both things could exist at the same time.
Yeah, it is weird.
It is weird.
And unless you've experienced it or you've heard about it a lot.
But yeah, as soon as I put on a pair of sexy panties and they have to be really sexy.
Yeah.
You know, what I consider a little bit naughty.
As soon as they come on, I feel so much more submissive than I feel naughty.
And yeah, that feeling comes over me.
Yeah, that's how it happens.
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Right.
But it is interesting that the...
Didn't the panties come after the first glory hole?
But the glory hole just came because you were just like a horny kid that wanted his dick sucked
and you're like, guy, girl, anyone, just suck it, right?
Through the hole.
Yeah, that's pretty much it was like, I'm so fucking horny.
You know, I want to blow job on 18 years old and having to get this one.
And then it was like a glory hole, cool.
And like you asked, did you think it might be a girl?
Or I can probably go in there.
I thought, I'm never going to know if this was a guy.
So it's not gay and it's not weird.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's just a blow job.
And you can think it's a girl.
But as soon as I went in there, I knew it was a guy.
And what was weird was like, I felt, well, who cares, right?
Who cares in the end?
Yeah.
And back then, that wasn't like...
Well, people didn't just go around saying who cares if the guy sucks you off.
And people still don't, right?
Yeah.
But that's how you do that.
Yeah, even in the last 10 years, a lot more people do go who cares now, right?
Yeah, it's getting there.
But I mean, you felt that way then, though.
You were totally accepting of it and saw it for what it was.
Which is good.
Yeah.
Which is cool.
I mean, it causes you less pain and suffering, trying to figure out yourself.
I mean, did it ever make you question your sexuality?
Yeah, I guess it did.
And then, you know, I would just think, well, am I bisexual?
And then, that's where it was a bit weird, because like, I...
Back then, I didn't really...
I thought in my mind, a bisexual person is someone who is really attracted to girls and wants to fuck them
and has really attracted girls and wants to fuck them or be fuck with them.
Yeah.
And I was really attracted to girls.
And I still am really attracted to girls.
But I'm not attracted to girls.
Like, I'm attracted to that scenario and attracted to good-looking cocks when I'm wearing panties.
But I'm still not overly attracted to guys.
So I can appreciate a good-looking guy.
I'll go, wow, that guy's a really good-looking guy.
Right?
I'm not an idiot.
Yeah.
I'm not attracted to them much.
The same as I am with a woman where a woman will turn my head where a guy wouldn't.
Right.
Right.
And like I said, I mean, you are pretty open-minded considering all the things that you've tried.
I feel like you're definitely not even lying to yourself because you have really dipped your toes
and tried a lot of things.
And you have had the offer of just the straight-up guy on guy action.
And you weren't into it.
I mean, you could have done it.
And you would have.
You're the type of guy that like I said at 18 went to a glory hole and let a guy suck his dick.
So you got balls, right?
You're not like afraid to try things or like I said, lying to yourself.
You're sort of just being who you are.
So I feel like if you were attracted to guys, you would have been getting fucked in the ass by now.
Or if you would have been doing these other things that have been presented to you.
I mean, you have been with guys where you could have done more, right?
Yeah.
So, yeah, I think you're right.
I mean, I know what I'm into and that's it.
And it's not it.
I mean, I'm always open to new things.
And I'm always sort of open to pushing the boundaries of that side of me.
But it's more like pushing the boundaries of maybe getting caught or pushing the boundaries of
standing in front of a guy and he tells me and sort of directs me a bit.
But it's, yeah, I know what I like and I want to explore that side, but not the other stuff.
Yeah, it just sounds like what you're open to is more different kinks and stuff, but not so much.
You are who you are and what you're into, but it sounds like you're very curious when it comes to,
like you said, the scenarios and expanding on the kinks and stuff that you like,
which is being seen, being caught, that kind of thing.
But it always has to be within the scenario that you, that has to be there,
which is you and pandeys, you as a submissive, you tapped into that feminine side,
because you don't, don't you?
Does it make you, I'm assuming it makes you feel a bit feminine when you're in the panties?
Yeah, it does.
It obviously does, right?
I feel way more feminine than my normal life and I feel slutty.
That's, that's the answer.
I feel really slutty, sir.
Yeah.
I love my cross-dressers or anyone that gets into the slutty thing.
Because I was always like, I have, I'm like that slutty girl, like I love Barbie clothes
and heels and slutty outfits and stripper clothes.
I was never a stripper, but I love the what they get to wear, the slutty outfits they wear on stage.
So I love when a cross-dresser or guy that likes to dress up,
the really ones that be fucking slutty.
I'm like, I'm right there with you.
I get that dressing persona wanting to feel that way sometimes, right?
I don't present like that when I'm walking around all the time,
but it is fun to be a slut.
I got it.
Yeah, the, I mean, like my favorite feeling is all day wearing panties
and someone knowing that I'm wearing panties and then if I go to their house
and they tell me to strip off and then they're like, well, look at you.
Look how slutty you look and then then sucking a cock and a pair of panties
or like a, like a string that's like running right.
Yeah, like a horse, like a slut.
Yeah.
Like a guy you don't even know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, guy would call it if a girl did that, they'd call her a slut.
Yeah, that's right.
So.
And let me ask you this.
Are you attracted to slutty girls or are you not?
Do you have to be the slut in the relationship?
I wonder.
No, I think I probably am.
Well, I'm attracted to, I don't know.
I don't really have a top, but yeah, I guess I'm more accepting of slutty girls
than what some of my friends would be.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't give it to her. She's a bit of a slut. Yeah, I will
Who cares right because little bit of that. No, I guess I'm a bit of a slut as well
Yeah, you talked into that energy and you you understand what it is and it's doesn't intimidate you or freak you out or I mean it turns you on
Actually, what are you so tell me like your favorite kind of panties? Like is it color? Is it a type? Is it a brand?
What do you go looking for when you go to those places?
Yeah, they've got to be sort of like a bright color is good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they've got to be lazy like really lazy a snug fit
So like I would probably a size under what a girl my size would wear
Uh-huh, and then G-string obviously of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so
Oh, really? It's like the what a guy like if I wear a hot pink
Tightly see G-string with a guy. He's gonna make a comment. It's like
What you like for yourself is no different. I feel like then what guys like on a woman. It's the same shit
Yeah, right? What I like to wear is what yeah, someone would like to see me and hopefully right like I say if it if I
Speak to a guy or me to guy that's into a guy in panties
I want him to be like looking at me in the panties and go wow that's really fucking hot
Yeah, they're not oh no pair of granny niggas or something like that. Yeah, they're not looking for you to wear a nude pair of panties
They're looking for what a guy is looking for in a girl event
Which is like a hot pink or neon colors very girly
Very bright colors like you said when you were describing and I'm like that's the kind of stuff that I know is super hot
If I'm gonna go hook up with a guy like that's I have nude pairs and black pairs and what you know different colors
But I always think in my head like oh a guy's gonna love like I said the hot pinks and the bright colors and the that's the that's the hottest stuff
I think so I agree that you're on this the right page. So so question like when you're hot you wore the lingerie that time and stuff
Right how long ago was that it didn't really lead to you doing it any time after?
There's probably only about two months ago
Okay
Not really I still got it, but I don't wear it as much because it's a bit harder to wear
Yeah under my clothes
Yeah, but it sounds like you're into undergarments. I mean it could it sounds like it's a very different kind of fetish than cross dressing
And it it makes sense that you went from a G string to trying a little lingerie and stockings because it
Kind of ties into undergarments, right? It's all the something you were under closed, but you know clothing
I think it's a totally different thing, but who knows where you'll be when you're sexy
Let me ask you this because you're not with somebody now
I'm most likely eventually at some point you're gonna settle down get married if you want to have kids
You're gonna wind up with being with somebody for a long period of time. How does that relationship look?
Like to you. I mean do you think that you can
And are going to keep the fact that you're into wearing panties on the DL forever and that you can
Also at the same time not see guys ever again the minute you get married or do you hope to one day meet a girl
That you would feel comfortable enough to put this on the table. Yeah, I don't think I'd ever get married to a woman
That I couldn't be honest with about that sort of me. I just haven't met the right girl
I know I've dated girls for nine months a year, but it and it's been right on that
Oh, is she the one if she's the one then it'll be like yeah, look all cards on the table. This is what I'm into or
Or I have a feeling that maybe one day when I do meet the one that I want to marry then she'll be like early on
Well, let's tell each other all our weird shit and she's into some weird shit and I'm into some weird shit
Yeah, that's what you said to each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah
You have that that's what you really should do and I love what I'm talking to somebody that hasn't shocked up
Yeah, and is you know the sky's the limit. I mean you are you're not even dating somebody that you have to talk to about it
Yeah, you haven't met anybody, but when you do I mean that's a great way to test the waters
Especially if you have a fetish and something that's really strong
I mean it really should be a deal breaker moving into a long-term relationship because you don't want to wind up like a lot of my
Colors who are living a double life for their whole life
It's exhausting you could get caught you could lose it all
I mean there's so many reasons why you don't want to do that plus you're young and people in your generation are so much more open to it
So you're more likely to find a girl into it anyway than somebody else 30 years ago
So it's I believe it definitely should be a deal breaker and that is a great way
To weed out that person early on on the first date. You're not gonna tell her but once you start fooling around and you're having sex early in the
Relationship when it's super hot you start communicating about sex right away and start talking about your fantasies and bring it up
And that's when you could really feel somebody out to see if they're able to be open to what you're into and I love that
Your answer to that question is that you wouldn't wind up it with somebody that wouldn't accept that
That's the right answer
I've listened to lots of your episodes where the guys yeah in similar situations or they've got this king called fetish
And they're always like well either now they're with their second wife and they're only just opened up to them and as well
Yeah, that's right because they're a bit older and in like say 30 years ago. It wasn't like that
But now I'm only 30 and yeah, there's plenty of time hopefully
Yeah, and just of course there totally is absolutely and the fact that you even know that your guy friends would be accepting of it
So there's a lot of girls that would be down. I think it's great
That you
Eventually when it comes to that time you will you do plan on putting it out on the table
I do believe that when you're very clear about who you are and what you're into you will meet the right person
Who is in line with exactly who you are? I think the problem comes when you're confused
You still have some shame about it. You don't know if you should and then you wind up meeting people
Maybe that are rejecting or not into it because it's sort of like a reflection of how you feel of yourself
I think sometimes a lot of times who's standing across from you is a reflection of who you are for better or for worse
So I think the clearer you are and the more you know yourself and it sounds like you do and the more honest
You are the more likely you're going to meet that right person
You're going to be fine and you're going to meet a girl
That's totally going to be into it and and that's what you should you should hold out until you do meet somebody
Because you don't want to be with someone that won't allow you to be fully yourself
It's important
Yeah, a great 100% great great good boss
Yeah, yeah, well you know it already. I mean you were quick to answer you know what you fucking want
You're still young you're so young, you know
I have something called marriage math okay, and this is why I never got married because I know marriage math
And that is take the age you think you're going to die say you think you're going to die at 90s 85 and then minus it by the age
You decide to get married okay and say that's 25 that's what people used to do when I was younger
Okay, minus 85 by 25. What do you got you got 60 okay? That's 60 years with the same person
I almost can't breathe when I think of that do you know what I mean that's marriage math okay
So there should be no rush to hang your hat with one person for the rest of your life
I don't know some people get married when they're 25 and they want to be with the same person for six years
And it's fine and that's great for them everybody lives a different life
But you have a plenty of time you're only 31 so with marriage math the longer you wait the you know
The fine. It's fine
So anyway if you can like for my patreon if you want to send a picture in of your panty stash or something like that
Would be like super interesting if you have one. I'm assuming you have a panty stash, right? Yeah
It'll get a fairly big stash. Yeah
Yeah, yeah, this is definitely gonna go up on a fetish Friday
I love this episode. I think it's great
It's definitely gonna go up on a fetish Friday soon and send me in that pick and I'll put that on my patreon
And then because you came out my show I'll give you free access to my discord
And you could go in there and talk to people and do whatever you want in there you other people have to pay
But I'll give you a free link to it
But definitely send me in the picture sooner than later. Okay. All right. What do we call you with the fuck do we call you we called you John
John, okay, also John. Thanks so much for calling and I love your story. Thanks Kathy see you later. Bye
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