Jeremy Mahugh On His Journey From Special Operations To Fighting Human Trafficking, Launching Caim Technology

The Team Never Quit podcast is sponsored by Navy Federal Credit Union. Partner up with Navy Federal to pay down credit card debt. You can learn more at NavyFederal.org. I just wanted to be part of the team and I wanted to be part of something that was like gonna push me to be better. Alright everybody welcome back to the TNGU podcast. I'm your host Marcus LaTrell. Every week it's my job to fire you up, to ignite the legend inside of you and to push you to your greatness. Join me every week as I take you into my briefing room with some of the most hard-charging people on the planet. They're going to show you how to embrace the fuck of life, teach you the values of working your ass off, and charge through whatever life throws at you. This is the Team Never Quit podcast. Don't fuckle up, buttercup. Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to another episode of the Team Never Quit podcast. Just a heads up we are getting some strong weather right now so you may hear a little bit of rain coming in and out. Shouldn't be too bad but I'm sure that's called mood music. Yeah it's got some mood music but I'm sure the massive garden operation my mom's got working out here it's going to be pretty happy about it. Don't forget to stay up to date with everything that we have going on you can check out our social medias at Team Underscore Never Quit. With that being said let's kick it off to the patreon question of the day which is what is something weird that you would recommend to somebody at least trying once? That's a pretty good question. Psychadelic medicine. That's something weird that I would never in my life ever recommend anybody to do on a casual thing but I feel like if everybody in the world did it once under a clinical care doing it the right way it would change the world and everybody would be a lot happier. I think that's a good one. Just one time. Not done that. I have a which I have literally never done any other drug. I don't drink alcohol. I am the least and the last person in the world that would do it and I honestly feel like it would change the world. If people did it clinically not for fun not as a party thing but through the right channels with the right intention it would change the world for sure. The breaking down of ego. That's mine. God that's a deep question man you go away. A weird thing I would recommend that people try once. I mean. Could be weird or unique. Just anything different. I mean people think that I'm weird or crazy for that matter because I like to dive with sharks. I recommend that everybody try that once especially if you you know I think that the fear is it's just it's it's it's a thing like people kind of get this in their head that you know like sharks are bad and they're dangerous and they're scary and they're going to eat you and you know whatever but I've it's something that I enjoy doing. I've gotten Jeremy to do it a couple different times with me when we were traveling but I've been on like 25. She got you to do that. She got hold on. As if he's never swam in the water with sharks before. You have a thing like sharks. You must be a hell of a woman because a team guy will do damn very thing to get girls attention. I mean. But to put dive gear on. Yeah. Knowingly putting dive the shark thing we'll get into that because that was like. He likes to pet him though. Like she man I don't do. I mean I would. I would. I would do the same thing. I would do the same thing. We first met. I know. My point. You know I'm like. She's a pedagriously bear too though I think. Well it's it's funny because like I'm terrified of like snow skiing right like Jeremy Grep and Montana like he you know he started skiing as a kid like I didn't start snow skiing until I was like 25 26 years old and so for me like it's terrifying like I feel like I don't have control you know and but like I'm I'm totally comfortable like swimming you know open water diving with sharks bull sharks tiger sharks women sharks like all the aggressive breeds have never swam with a great white but I know people who have and like that's not scary to me. Like I'm just totally. Big shark week fan. Yeah. Yeah. Me too. I mean I have to like. I mean I got started look I was thinking about yesterday I was like shark week's coming up. Man I'm not gonna I can feel it. Oh I've been wanting for the past few years of course we've got like two and four years old. We've got you know our kids are young and so we we haven't really like gotten to do a lot of the things that we would want to do but every summer I want to do like a shark after dark party like in the lake where we live and have like the jaws playing on the big screen. Oh I'm terrified. Oh my gosh you're talking about Marcus's chore. The chore's neat to like that freaking movie man. Literally that's his worst nightmare. I really want to do it. I'm really wanting to do it. It's over and over again. It's great. You don't need to mean my mother. Y'all got too much in common. Yeah. That's a good one because that's definitely that's what changed everybody's perception. They've always been teary whatever it said. And damn sure did think about that how impactful a movie can be it changed. Oh yeah. I was scared to get in a lake in a swimming pool. I could hear that music playing and every time we got in water. Yeah. No matter whatever ocean we were in and they put us in there with the damn whites anywhere. Remember the worst part is we go out of Santa Menta Island. You're throwing concussion grenades off. So all the fish are dead and everything's dead and the stars are there. Seals come in and they're like okay now do an open water swim. Open water swim. Through the kelp bed and the kelp. They ever like you know the structures are out there on the kayaks. Of course they do. They're like all you guys out of the water. Oh right because they're like okay okay great whites like great whites. Start swimming to shore. You're like what? Oh my. Oh my gosh. That was a dead seal sitting on the side of the bay because you're going to have to watch shark attack videos all day and make us do that up into the middle of the night and then they're like okay now go get in and it's a three curtain it's three rips in there. Is that during buds? They're just trying to scare you and make you quit. It works. Yeah. I'm freaking scared to piss. I was mad. He was scared to jog as a kid. I was so fast on that one. I remember because those kelp belts are the biggest table one leaf out there. They're huge. I mean you feel around? That's how those. I can just make sure you'd be scared out there about it. Spake or be like. Oh it was. I can openly admit that now. Well to that point though I just think anything extreme to like get you out of your comfort zone. You've probably done the isolation tanks chambers right? Yeah. You know I know they kind of started pushing those for team guys. That was like a PTS type treatment kind of deal and so somebody has said some damn neck guys were doing it and checking it out. So the first time I did I went out to Virginia Beach and I was like okay I'm going to check this out. And I'll tell you like I'd recommend it. It's something kind of like different and weird but like I'd recommend it. Just don't recommend doing what I did the first time because they show you like a video and they say okay like here's. Should you not even bring it up then because people will try. I'll look dumb but I'm okay like. Oh yeah. And I mean I think if somebody else. And if you're a team guy it's not a thing. Yeah. You're just trying it out. That's what we do. Yeah. So I mean they have a whole like 20 minute video. They're like watch this video before you do it. It's like you know you got the whatever it's like 11 inches of water. It's not it's not that deep but it's like enough salt in there that you float in. Oh it's the float tank. The float tank right. But it's like there's there's no sound and the water temperature is the same temperature as your body so you're you're like you're floating in outer space right. And so like that way you go in there for an hour and you let your mind totally you know. Go into a different state and whatever. So you do all that. So they're like they give me this whole watch the video do this thing. I zone it now. I can't pay attention. So like I go in there and I'm like I got it. How hard can like you just go lay in the tank like super easy. So I go in there and I'm laying in it and you know it starts out. I think they came up they start out like a little bit of music and then all of a sudden goes quiet and it's dark and like I'm not in there for five minutes. And I'm like I wonder what it'd feel like if I just rolled over. Oh my gosh. You know just like laying there on my back like okay got it. Like what if I rolled over just did it on my stomach. What I forgot was like the salt content there's like higher than like being in the dead sea. Right. So I roll over and I like splash my face get that salt in my nose and eyes and mouth and ears. And I'm just like the rest of the hour was shot because I was like oh man. Your team got tucked in the whole time. Where's the line at? Oh my gosh. I'm trying to grab the towel so I can like you know. Let me out of the egg. Like I'm sure in that 20 minute video they said like whatever you did like no. Yeah that was the entire video. Oh my gosh. Why did you do it again another time just to do it. That's hilarious. Morgan was really into the float tanks. That was that's cool. I actually didn't do that but you did didn't you. Yeah. Yeah that's neat. Yeah there's some weird stuff out there and in all of them it's just getting out of your comfort zone. What was yours? I didn't say one. Yeah. Go ahead. I don't know what yours. I think something that really changed my whole life is going to do a solo backpacking backpacking trip around Asia, Europe. Just something just buy yourself get out there for a few weeks and that'll change your whole process and how you view life itself. So I think that's that's mine. Yeah. Heather's done a lot of solo travels all over Thailand and and Europe and different places. You didn't worry. So when he went to Thailand this is a funny story. I texted every team guy I know that does private security internationally. And I was like, hey, what are things that Hunter needs to worry about? And this was his senior year or in his senior year of college. So I'm like, what does he need to worry about? What are things he needs to look, you know, like signs to look for things not to do or whatever. And one of our friends ended up getting a syntax with a team guy that lived in Thailand. And he was like, when he gets to this place have him just call this guy and they can just meet up and whatever. And I'm thinking this guy that lives in Thailand is not going to want to meet up with a college kid. He did and he took Hunter everywhere and just treated him so well and showed him all the things stuff he probably won't tell me. But they had a ball and I was so impressed with that. And it just shows like the Brotherhood, the network, the wide cast of the Brotherhood is just so neat to have because we didn't know this guy and he just took Hunter under his wing like across the world. It was awesome. He knew all the club owners like everywhere he just gave us the VIP experiences. It was amazing. But from a safety standpoint, I felt better that Hunter had someone there that... Oh, he thought he was having a good time but in reality, the entire seal came around. I was just doing everything. Following that dot. But it didn't make me feel a lot more comfortable. I think some people got some pull, man. I don't even. It's unbelievable. To that point though, Hunter, I mean, I think that's really great because we live in such this social culture that nobody wants to do anything without friends and people and they're just going out on their own and take a trip. Those have been some of my best trips just going off on my own and exploring and doing something. Yeah, you really don't know what you're capable of and just get yourself pushed outside of that comfort zone and it'll teach you a lot about yourself. I taught him one thing. What did I teach about road trips? Which one? Never pass them up. Never pass them up. Never pass them up. I mean, it almost was a good experience. Like facing the surface and exploring it. Experience it and explore it. You know what blew my mind is like my first deployment. I went to Spain and I'm sitting over there in this little town and you're talking to somebody who's lived their whole life and never left that little town. It's like, this is a really cool town to come and check out. But I wouldn't want to stay in this town my entire life. It's not that cool. And don't you realize there's a whole world out here? Yeah. It's wild. You know what some people never really venture out of. 50 something percent. I read a statistic man and I've asked around it like that there's a major majority of humans that don't leave the town they grew up in. Yeah, isn't that crazy? Yeah. Like I can't find it. And remember we would go over into some of these countries. This is like traveling back in time. I mean, not only do you feel it the time shift, you feel that. Yeah. I mean, you know when you've crossed over into a different route. It's like going back 50. Going back. Yeah. Your body actually feels it. And then when you step off playing, you see it. Yeah. I mean, it's like literally when you leave America and you travel back in time. You go forward in time. Right? To go back in time, you're actually going forward on the clock. To be in the fawns at time machine. How about, yeah, that's what it is. Get the time machine, you can feel it and then you step off. And some of those countries, they've never seen anything like us. I was talking to the boys the other day and they're like, hey, you know, you kind of a sci-fi fan, right? You know, we all are like those comics. When you talk about those things that fall out of the sky and they're bulletproof and they got glowing green eyes. I mean, what the hell you think we are. Yeah. And I saw you and when you think about it like that, like we were the adventurers, but the guys who came before us, it's like way before us. When they didn't know what was on the other side, like, hey, now that, think about that. Think of like World War II and there's not, you know, a wide range of like information on what the other side of the world is like. That's crazy. Nor the opportunity to travel like we have. Right. I mean, we went, we got married in Croatia and then we went to Venice kind of right after that. And we were sitting in Venice like how great is that place? I loved it, but it was kind of like we're sitting there and there's like the tourist boat or the tourist bus or whatever shows up and it's like a bunch of fat lazy looking Americans are like, what do you guys even do for a job that you can even afford to come here? Yeah. For example, like, I mean, it's just like, I felt like we could have, I don't know. I like it was like everybody has the ability to travel now. Right. Like everybody. They just, it's so cheap and so easy. Yeah. But a lot of people still don't. We like go into places that are not touristy. Like this last year we went to Italy and, but we went off the beaten path. We went to town that no one spoke English. They were wondering what the heck we were doing there. They had to use Google Translate and they just did not understand why Americans were there. And I'm like, I just looked on the map. I didn't find the place. I'm like, I just looked on the map and your lake looked pretty. Right. Interesting. That's how we come. People go to Cinecom. Right. That's how it was in some parts of Croatia that we went to. But then we also, from there we rented a car once we got off the island that we were staying at in Croatia. We rented a car actually and drove all around the coast down to southern Italy where we then went to Venice. And that was me because then we hit a lot of those small towns. That's really neat. Yeah. I loved that. I've talked about a lot of cool places. So let's back it up. Where were you born? Montana. North West Montana. What town? Calaspal. What is it? There's something in the water up there. That's flat and light or something, right? With that white fish. We live on the lake. And that lake that y'all come out of. Yeah. The produced team guys. Yeah. I mean, it's like a bunch of grown up. It was it was Zinke. Around Zinke. I grew up in white fish and you know, Calaspal was like 15 miles south there and I grew up based on Calaspal. And then all right then there was a cup of oleric grew up there. We went through together. He came in just a little bit after me and then yeah. Yeah. And then beaming and then chip moved there because and now it's like. But he's got like nine kids and they're all African. They're all one of us. How about that? Yeah. It's got like three boys all named seals. He needs to have fun. Oh my gosh. That's so cool. How about that guy? That's wild. Yeah. Tips good people and then and now there's like a there's a whole army, you know, Special Forces contingent too and and they're better at recruiting than the seals are up there. There's more of them to recruit I guess, but like they they're moving in and drove. So it's kind of it's kind of cool. Like, you know, we basically have that. It's real cool. That whole town. That group of guys. Don't y'all have is Andy's stump up there? Andy is yeah. Because I saw a black rifle. I don't know him personally, but I follow his Instagram and I saw that he opened a black rifle up here. He did and Cal spell. I've been in there one time. It's really cool. It's really cool. That's really well done. The town's competition is going to be who can open up the coolest coffee shops. That's how we'll get each other now. Like across the street. I'm like close to my own people, you know. Good for them. Yeah. That's how it's supposed to be. Okay. So we'll find these Starbucks. Right. I really like Starbucks that much, but you know, it's convenient this morning. Right. So we're taking it back to your childhood. Did you grow up with brothers and sisters or parents in the military or anything like that? Parents and military, my grandfather. So I was, it's kind of his, hers and ours, I guess, right? Like so I have a half brother, a younger brother, and an older step brother and step sister. Right. And so my mom got remarried to my dad now when I was probably like two and a half, three years old. And that man actually adopted me also. So he had, you know, fully go right. So I kind of felt like, you know, he was my dad. Tell your teenager and you're like, you're not my real dad, just because you're. You go through that? I did, but it was weird because there was no reason to. What causes that? I don't know. Just a curiosity. I'm just curious. I don't know if it's like an insecurity or something like what I did. Does it sound like a go to phrase? What's that? It's a go to phrase. It's like it's totally exactly what it is. And I don't know. Like for me, I was just telling somebody yesterday how like when I was a little kid, you know, I had some insecurities and maybe they were driven from some of that. Or maybe they're driven from who knows, but I was like the class clown. I was always in trouble. And the rest of my siblings weren't like, I got spanked more than all the rest of my siblings combined. I was a stubborn, hard, you know, child. Fun, but like I was, I just pushed all the limits. And maybe it was part of my nature, but maybe it was like there was definitely some insecurities there. I mean, I was in the principal's office like all the time. There's all kinds of stuff. So I don't know when I got over. I was actually a pretty good kid. I mean, for the most part, but you still have this like little tiny bit of rebellion. And it's kind of laughing a minute ago because when you're talking about, you know, some of these people never leave the area that they're from, like I could not wait to get out, right? I was like, I love my dad. Some people are made to leave, but I was like ready to be out on my own and do my own thing. And I wanted to go far, far away at wherever that was to do my own thing and, you know, experience life and all that. So. But you had amazing parents like they were. My parents are amazing. Yes, for sure. Yes. And sometimes you don't fully comprehend that until you become a parent. Oh, yeah. Especially. That's one that, yeah. And then you just have like that much more respect for even the things that maybe you didn't agree with when you were younger, you know, like anyways, yeah. Someone stepped in to be a parent on you and you kind of throwing that back and you don't see it. That means it's coming later. That's when that shows up. Yeah. And that's irony. That's life right there, man. That's how it works. My mom used to say this and get a kick out of it now, but she was like, you know, I was misbehaving or whatever. She'd be like, I hope you have a son and I hope he's just like you. She put down you. Yeah. She wrote a shooting song. I mean, so like our son is for and probably, you know, I'm starting to just wait. Just like me. I'm like, what are you doing? I'm like, oh, I got it. You just got. So my father put a curse on me too as a kid and it came true when I had kids. Like that. That's a real thing. Mm-hmm. So just wait until the little ones old and those start scrapping around, man. It's funny. That's how they get you back. We're stealing your tools. Marcus swears that his dad. I didn't steal my father's hammer. Okay. I borrowed it and I put it back. Because he called me away in the middle of using it and I went long storage short. Marcus swears that his dad put a curse on him and he was in trial for not returning his hammer. And now all of his tools go missing all the time. He cursed his dad. So I'm real careful about what curses I put down on my kid. So far I've kept them all on myself. I need that. Let them slip up, though. So when you were in high school, is that when you decided to become a seal or just go into the military or? Did your parents, I mean, had that work anyways? I was in that. This is kind of funny. I was in that era like of, I mean, so I started in 214 and finished in 215, right? So graduated high school in 1996 and had the whole summer. But I was looking at like between my junior and senior year, you know, military recruits were calling me and I had no real interest in being the military. What I was going to say a minute ago is my grandfather on my dad's side that adopted me, Jerry, his, you know, his dad had been in World War II, but only for like three years. Because it was like he was in the Army Air Corps. And so like he got shot down over, I believe it was like Yugoslavia, like the last six months of the war. So he's a POW for like the last six months of the war. And so he had some stories, but like he never talked about it, you know, like it was, it was, and the only person he really talked about it with was me after I was in the Navy and already went to seer school. And then, and he was kind of telling me some stories and he was like, because you know, they used to have these like GI wool sweaters and they're really nice. So they, he basically was getting interrogated and he knew it wasn't really serious until they made you take off your sweater because they would keep your sweater and they liked it. So like they wouldn't, that's what he said. He was like, they're not going to like shoot a hole in this sweater or like, you know, whatever. He just, that was kind of like his little knowing when it was serious, you know. But anyways, yeah, so that was on that side. And then my grandfather on my other, on my mom's side, actually, I think served for like two years and didn't really have to go anywhere or do anything. But both that was like around World War II. And then the rest of the family, there was nothing, there was nothing. And so, so when I was in my senior year, I was, I played soccer and you know, here we are in Texas. I still not sure they know what a soccer is here in Texas. We definitely don't. But in Montana, I was at that time frame where they were playing club soccer. And so I kind of grew up playing with a bunch of guys that were a lot older than me because there wasn't that many guys on the teams. And so I, I got the opportunity to progress really fast because I was playing with guys much older and better than me. And so when I ended up being a freshman in high school, there, it was the first year they had a soccer team in high school. And so I played varsity soccer as a freshman. And I was the only one and I lettered. I was like the only one to let her like four years playing soccer because I was just used to playing with older guys. Anyways, I thought I'd go to college and maybe play soccer in college because I probably wouldn't smart enough to get the academics scholarship. I had two older siblings who were already paying for school and I didn't really want to have to take that, you know, take out some debt for school. So I was just like, well, I will get a scholarship. And I tried out for a couple of teams, I actually tried out for a team in, is it, Laternal? Laternal is the university that's in Longview, I think Longview, Texas. It's like an engineering school because this is where my brother ended up going. I was like, one, see, I wouldn't know it. Yeah, it was. It was not an engineer on the side of the table. It was like 80% boys to girls in that school. Oh, wow. So I went out and tried out for the school that I was super unimpressed with. That statistic? To give a bad try out. You're like no girls. I don't know. So the coach was like, hey, you know, we'll take you on the team, but there's no scholarship money until maybe when you're a senior, we might have a little bit. I was like, nah, not interested. So then I was just walking through high school, going to lunch one day and I picked up this black and white papers. I mean, it was like, it was nothing special at all. You couldn't even hardly read the pictures or tell what was on the pictures, but it was like, but, you know. It's like the last thing on a photocopy machine. It was totally. Yeah. It was like, yeah, it was in and out. You're like, yeah. So I picked it up. I didn't even really talk to the recruiter there. I just grabbed it on my way to lunch and I was reading through it. Oh, they had a table set up. They had a table. Yeah. And so some people were kind of stopping. And it was just the Navy guy, though. It was the only one there. So like, whatever, I just grabbed it. He was dressed up. Yeah, he was in his whites. Was it one of the dudes you went to high school with? No, this guy, he was quite a bit older. He was like an E-6 or maybe you went to high school. Yeah, I think he was an E-6 at that point. So what the hell he had to do to get to high school? Yeah. So he's just there for lunch. And I picked up the steal and I look at it and I go, well, holy smokes. You know, like, I got a small town in Montana. I'm like, never, I've never had the opportunity to go skydiving or scuba diving or any of these other things. And what I did know is like from being an athlete, I played some other sports too. Baseball, I sucked at it so I quit. And basketball, I played through up until my junior year and I enjoyed it. But I really liked the team camaraderie part of the soccer team. And so that was kind of my where I focused my efforts. You a good runner? I was a good runner. Yes. Whatever. Yeah. I was good for you. I was not a great swimmer though. Yeah, one of the other, right? Yeah, it's a terrible. So running like I had super, that was my super power for sure. And I mean, I could just run forever. And so I ended up, I just wanted to be part of the team and I wanted to be part of something that was like, gonna push me to be better. And so I knew that much. I didn't know much else, but I knew that they hadn't come out with any, you know, well, I'm sorry, I think the Charlie Sheen Navy Seals movie was out by the way. Was out? It was out, but I didn't grow up with the TV. So I hadn't really seen that yet. And there's one documentary that's signed up. Yeah, and one, right. So like, there just wasn't a lot of information out there. So that brochure was the first thing I saw and I basically went in and told the recruiter, I'm like, I'd like to know more about this. And he's like, well, you got to go to, you know, Butte, Montana and you've got to like, go to the maps and you've got to make sure that you can even like, you're even qualified. And I was like, okay. So I told my parents and I went with the recruiter and I got it. It's like five hours away. So we got to spend the night, all right, spent the night and they're like, here's your coupon to go get a steak dinner, you know, and I'm like, hey, man, I'm free to them again, right? All right. So do that. Go through the whole, the whole map's dealing with the very 46. No, no, no. Oh, I'm sorry. Right now? No, I was like, saw this part. I was in the story. I guess I was probably like 17 and going on 18. Yeah, right. Just checking. So you went straight in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I went so, so I'm, I go to maps and I go through that. It's like this assembly line process, right? At the end of it, like I'd never said, I'm like taking this, oh, but like at the very end of it, they like run you through and they put your hand in the air and take this oath. And I was like, I don't know if I just joined the Navy. You're like, I need to talk to my parents. I've seen that happen. I haven't heard of that. So in the long drive home, I tell the recruiter guy, I go, hey, man, so you guys had me like, take this oath. Like, does that mean like, what if I don't want to join now? And he was like, what do you mean? You're like, so, so I get, I go, hold on. Yeah, I'm gonna have to go. I'm gonna, I'm gonna do it. Yeah. And I get four years. I tell my mom, I'm like, she's like, well, how'd it go? I go, well, I joined the Navy and she goes, now you didn't like literally for the next. I gave you a mistake. She didn't believe me. She didn't believe me. And so technically it wasn't like the formal. There is one more. There's one more. But it was still kind of. I didn't know about that either. I didn't know there was another one. They're freaking is. They tricky, man. Bro, they got, I was even on the, that's brilliant. I was like, hey man, just sign this. Oh, I thought I had to sign that just to get in the damn building. No, no, and then every room, God Lord, so that was your mental experience. Because my mom was crazy. If I, they didn't want Marcus to join. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Now we went out in the building. And I would, I'm gonna tell you what, up to the, well into the night, if I'd have had, I wouldn't have gone back. Like if they, like, hey man, you got to come back next week out. You wouldn't have been talking, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Yeah, I wouldn't have been a seal. Becoming a member at Navy Federal Credit Union can help you earn more and save more. Their certificate options earn you more than standard savings accounts with competitive rates. Navy Federal stands out to me because they offer the best choices for savings out there. And it's way more than any other financial institutions. For example, you can start saving with them for as little as $50 for an easy start certificate. And then you can add money at any time and then watch your savings grow. Just like I have. 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Both my parents were very reserved. They both knew that I was at that point where I was ready to be out of the house. That's way out of the house. Yeah, way out. And so they respected that. And as long as I was under their roof, it was their rules. But they both were very reserved. I think my mom was more worried probably, and my dad actually said something which you can appreciate now. But like he said, my biggest concern is that you're chasing this adrenaline rush and what happens when you can't get enough. When it runs out, then what? And it didn't really, it made sense, but I didn't really put a whole lot of stock in it for a time. But like now you're going to appreciate it, right? Because you're like, okay, well, I mean, but anyways. You can't know what that is. That's where the thing gets dropped. That's when you show up lately. Hey, I get it now. Thanks. Was that like an I told you so moment or something? I feel like, but yeah. I never ran out though. We always managed to get into something. Like we've been pretty fortunate with that. Yeah. Seems like, but I don't know exactly exactly what you're trying to do. Did you know that you were going that you wanted to be a seal specifically? Or were you just? I didn't know anything. I didn't know anything else that was in the Navy. And the funny thing too is that recruiter when I said, no, I want to do I want to do this thing on the paper. You gave me like the buds, whatever this is. Beaches on a bill of drinks. Yeah. And I'm in the thing with the party. Skydive, scuba dive. I told you the thing I want to do. And he's like, no, no, no. He goes, I've worked with those guys before. Oh, here we go. You're not going to make it. Like, I didn't even know me. Yeah. And he goes, he goes, no, like it's because nobody makes it. It's like, he's like 90% of those guys that go to training, they don't make it. So like, plus, you know, back then it was like, you had to pick a different rate anyway. So it's like, he's like, just don't even worry about that. Like just go pick a rate and then you can try to go to the training. But like, you got to be, you got to have your backup plan like pretty set. And I was like, whatever. How about that? They even made us go get trained up with the expectations and then was not making it. Yeah. Normally you do that one after. Right. They make us do it in the head of that. So which is so unnerving. That was the whole process is like, I had to join the Navy. And then I had to go to boot camp. And then halfway through boot camp, I had to, if I was lucky enough to go take the test. So like, and then they gave you the freaking flu shot, you know, so you, of course, you got the flu. Yeah, right. You know, and then, and you go, you got a temperature 100 and some degrees and you go take the test and then out of like, 80. And a blizzard. Yeah. I went to the great. So when I thought like, I started looking the Navy, I'm like, oh, cool. They got placed in Florida. They got placed in San Diego to go to the training. And it was like, yeah, we just closed those. By the way, you're going to Great Lakes. But that's exactly what they said. And you're going in November, actually, because I had the whole summer. Thanks for having us do that one. So I was, I went in November 11th. I think it was November 11th. It's from Morgan, Winant. Yeah. So I was there all winter because I went through that and I had to go to A school, which was my, I went and a Hall maintenance technician. What's it called? What were you? A Hall maintenance technician. Oh, what is that? I thought it would be cool because it was like, why would you think? How's that? That didn't, that nothing about that sounds cool. I was like, it's like shop class. That's why. It's like shop class. It's like, you learn how to do like, metalworking. You know, people listen to this man. You know what I'm talking about? Oh, wait. A Hall, a Hall, wait. A Hall. A Hall. Well, come to find out. They're also like the, they're not technically a planner, but they work on the, you know, as they try to do systems, right? Yeah. I'm not trying to do some. That's a real job. I mean, that's a Hall maintenance. But now you can come in straight away. Like a Hall monitor. A Hall maintenance. That's a lot of room. Right. Hall maintenance. Back and forth. That sounds made up. That's hilarious. That's something that's got a pink gas. How long is that? Eight, well, it was like 10 weeks. Yeah, it's got me long, right? That's a serious job. No, no, no, no. Well, well, no, no, I didn't really learn. I practiced welding for a couple of weeks, and then I had to take a test, you know, and that was the stupid part, like when you're a seal, like, it's so cool that they finally switched to being an, you know, an SL. They switched it. Because now you take a test and something you actually care about, it means something in your job, and you want to be known for being good at. Back then it was like, do you want to, if you're going to weld this kind of metal with this kind of metal, do you want to use a temperature of 1,100 degrees Fahrenheit, or 1,200 whatever degrees or 1,300? I'm like, ah, see. That was a question. That was a question, but not for this to go, right? No, I'm not going to wait time studying that one. No, yeah. It wasn't to see if you had the aptitude for it as well. Yeah. But do you hear, that's how I didn't even know anything about the rates. See, there was a rate. Rate. Yeah. I didn't speak military. I didn't know anything about that. You're a, you're a medic. So like, when you came in, where they like, here, go to the corpsman school, or did you have to go? I had to go straight to buzz, and then decided, right? So how about that for hookup? I thought it was the quickest way to get to the seal. My, my recruiters, they were. They actually, they were like, he didn't lie to me. He did not lie to me, and I hold it over his head. I still bought his money. But oh my God. Because when I was in there, you know, I didn't have a rate, so they could send me anywhere. Yeah. And that's when you really find out about some jobs, and the military like, the trailman, if you screw this up, we got a place for you. And they don't even have a name for it. And I was like, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to, and then I had to go to 18 Delta, which is the longest route. Oh yeah. Came to find out. I was on the longest. Yeah, he wasn't corpsman. It was 18 Delta. People messed that up all the time. I just go with it now. People like, hey, you're, hey, corpsman. Yeah. And then they're like, hey, what's up? No, but he actually went to 18 Delta over in Fort Benning. Yeah, Ben, yeah. It's a, a brag, excuse me. It's a brag. Yeah. Fait nom. Yeah. Fait nom. I'm a bastard. I mean, way back, all my buddies, like from butts class, like they go to, like the, you don't see them for like, what is it? Six months or something like that? Six months to a year. Right. So it's like, just didn't they have to do it. You already got through it. I was like, these guys are just coming back to the team. And then he pulled us out. Yeah, they pulled us out every, you got to go every year for two weeks, which is cool. You know, if you, if you enjoy it, which I did. Yeah. Uh, the course. But you didn't get your trident for a long, freaking time. Like, they forgot about me. Other guys, there's a little wrong. I'm going to give it to me. He's like, here, just take it. And I'm like, no, I won my ceremony. Yeah. Eat my buzz class. All the guys I graduated budget with had been on deployment and come back. Yeah. And, and I remember the guys in my class got together and got me the gold trident with the ruby. And they were like, hey, here, you wearing this. And I still didn't touch it. You know, it's bad luck. Remember that? Oh, yeah. So that's a real thing for us. And I would not touch that damn thing until they pinned it through my chest. And then, then I will, then I will. Then you know how it is. You still stare at it? I still do, man. Every time I see that stuff. You know what I did? This is, yes. So like, I had a little Ford Ranger was the truck I had back then, you know? And so like, I took, I had one, I put it right. And like, my kind of on the floor in front of the center console. And like, I'd just sit there and look at it when I was driving. Still one of my children. I was like, right? He keeps it on his visor. Like the, the, the. I'm not talking about the drawings. I'm not talking about the drawings. I'm not talking about the real shows. Not for anybody else. Just for me to look at it and go like, remind you, like, this, this is why I'm here. This is what I got. Yeah. Some of my purpose, right? Yeah. Constant reminder. Yeah. And it's a good one. Because it reminds you of the hell we had to go, just to get that sucker. That carries some weight. Yeah. There's a lot of things down here you look at it and we're, man, you see somebody supporting that thing. Yeah. Yeah. Especially. Get a bud. When'd you go in? When? No, we six. So it was November of 96. Yep. Did you were buds in November, too? So I showed up at buds in probably like May. And I think my classed up in like June. But then I was there for, yeah, I got rolled for pool comp. And so, what, really? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, it sucked so bad. It sucked so bad. And I really felt like it was. That's the worst, man. Not even my fault. I mean, to be honest with you, so you get four chances, right? And the first time was totally my fault. Like I yanked off like the exhalation hose or one of the hoses. So there was just air blowing up in the manna field. Anybody who scuba dives or anybody who doesn't scuba. Tell them I ripen the freaking hoses off his tank. Yeah. And I didn't, you know, I just was pulling on stuff. And I think it was already loose, right? So it came off and there's these bubbles blowing up. And so I didn't really know how to handle it properly, but I thought I handled it really well because I just got my face over it. And I'm like, oh, it was coming in my mouth. I'm actually breathing. You know, I'm like getting this aired in. And but I was down there for a while, not really figuring it out, I guess, from that point on. And so they came down and say, come on up, you know, they're like, you failed. I'm like, what do you mean I failed? Like, I thought I was doing really good. Then the second time there was something else. And the third time the guy was like, he did really good. Just this one little thing. And then the fourth time it was like, he was like super calm, cool, collected. And he looked at me and he was like, great job. And it goes, wait a minute. Do you, is that like a half twist in your, um, strap? And I was like, you know how like it goes from here to here? Yeah. Like, of course it has to have a half like it's going to twist from this angle to this angle. Like I still don't know like what he was actually talking about. I'm like, I feel like that was one of those things where he was like, just do it one more time because they want you to have the pressure of family a few times. And I don't think that he knew it was like my last chance to this day. I really don't, but it didn't matter. You can't argue with him. Right. And so I was super frustrated, super upset at myself. And so when I went to exit the pool, I had my fins and my mask in one hand. And I got up the ladder and I just kind of tossed them on the pool deck. And the instructor that was sitting up in the tower chair was watching that. He was like attitude problem. So now I've been rolled to the next class and I've also been associated with having an attitude problem. Oh, yeah. So you can imagine what kind of love and treatment I got from that point on. Full of benefits, full benefit. I mean, I got, I got beat for a handful of days plus. It's actually kind of a funny story because, um, another one of my, um, buddies who had failed dive physics, Brody Renner, um, Brody was, Brody was in there and, uh, so he'd, he'd already got rolled into the next class. So he and I like became roommates for that whole time in between before we classed back up. And he hadn't made it to, um, second phase, do pool comp yet. Or no, I guess he was in the first week when they're doing like dive physics and so like, um, so we're both role roommates and it had these balsa wood tanks. Do you remember those like training tanks? Oh, yeah. And so, you know, like you would take those and you practice to whatever. Well, when I got rolled out of that class, the class leader said, you know, you should, you know, feel free to take these and practice with them. And, you know, so that's what I did. To my bad, I had them in my room and I don't know why to this day that they were in my room, but we, we would, I would show guys like, here's, you know, what we're practicing. And for those two months in between class and backup, that's all I was focused on was like, making sure that when I was back in the water, this is going to be my, you know, perfection. Well, as soon as we class back up and we went in for our first room inspection and they come ripping through closets and they're like, ah, we've been looking for these, you thief. Oh my gosh. Attitude problem and now I'm a thief. And it was like they were just like, we are going to make sure you go away. Yeah, they don't have to have an excuse. And the whole time between those two phases, like I had made a mental, like I'm going to be that the, you think I have attitude problem, I'm going to, I'm going to take that challenge, right? I'm going to come in and volunteer for everything. So I was like the water boy that would come into like the second phase room with all the instructors in there, like on their lunch break when they're watching like ridiculous TV shows, you know, and just goofing around looking for somebody to pick on. I'd come in there with the call again, water bottle and be like, oh, yeah, happy smile. You know, um, you know, don't have an attitude problem. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, two problems here, you know. Night too happy. And then all of a sudden it doesn't matter. That's cool. That's, you don't know that. And it was like, you're a thief. And I got sat and that class I rolled into is a really big class. And they had 13 officers. It was a huge class. And they, they beat me with all the 13 officers for like all day. And then they, you know, the senior chief called me into the, his office and he said, I'm going to make sure I get rid of you. You know, I was listening. Oh man, this sucks. So actually when I went into, and the guy that found the tanks in my closet, he made it very clear. He also thought I should go away. And I was like, I am a good kid, you know, and like I had been like, this is kind of felt like it came out of nowhere. So when I get back in the water to do the, um, so anybody who failed previously, there was three of us that rolled back into this class. So we had to go first, right? So there's, I don't know if we had to go first, but we were lined up to go first. So there's a whole big class. I mean, this class that I rolled into, you had like, they came out of Hell Week with like 60 guys or something. It was massive. And, uh, it was a summer, obviously a summer, summer, summer hell weekend. So anyways, they, they got a bunch of guys. And, uh, so I went first and there's four, four or five lanes, right? And you get in the water. And so the guy in the first lane, they're sitting there, right, getting ready to go. He goes, all right. Who's, who's first? And it was the instructor that I knew hated me the most. And I was like, I am. So I was like, this is going to be a whole smokes. I get in the water and normally, I mean, you're in there for a few minutes. It's, it's usually like a five minute, six, seven minute kind of deal. They do a couple surf hits on you. You go through a couple of different things. You either pass or fail, you know, and, uh, I was down there long enough that they had got all the rest of the class to go through at least once. And everybody else had, they, again, they tried and fail you at least once usually. And so everybody else had gone through and I come up and I don't know how long I was down there, but it was probably at least 30 or 40 minutes. Oh my gosh. On surf torture. He just kept hitting me, kept hitting me, but I spent the last two months just being mentally dialed for that. And so it was like there was nothing he could do that really phased me. I mean, he just kept doing his best, you know, and, and I knew he was out for me. Like I just felt it like, but I came up and he was like, great job. You know, like, well done. And then he was like, pass and the guy up on the chair, you know, was like, ah, it's about time. Finally, somebody, because the whole class had already gone once and failed, you know, but as a, as a rollback, you only have two chances. And it, you know, so it was like everything was long. And the other guy who had had an attitude problem the same day that we got rolled, they failed him on that one. Oh my gosh. Second phase. Just everybody. That is hard. It's where you learn your manners. Yeah. Second phase. That's like humble pie. Ah, it's more humble pie, right? I mean, that's a total good way of saying it. I mean, you just, you just have to run the water and then we got the water. You got them waiting on you. Yep. So that's like the videos of y'all laying in the right on the shore break. No, that's, that's sort of torture. Oh, that's sort of torture. This is underwater. Cool comp where there's like a 15, is it like 15 feet in the combat training tank? Oh, right. So you go down and sit on the bottom on your knees and you've got a scuba tank and they come down and they give you like a, like a surf hit, like as you got rolled in a wave and they, all your gears thrown out on the bottom of the wall, strung out. They tie your hoses and goss. You're down there with a mask on and you got your tank and you got your regular hair. Is this what you all see hands are tied or whatever? No, this is a different one. Different thing. Everything all together. Oh my gosh. And then there's swimming above you like sharks and then they'll take a breath, come down and I mean beat your ass. Turn you upside down, bang your hand on the pool deck. Is it that big tank on the compound, that big water tank looking thing? No, that's the dive tower. That's the dive tower. Something different too. That's crazy. Take you from a regular? So many different ways of torture. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, is this torture? This torture? This torture? What do they do there? Torture them in? Yes. Oh my gosh, that's crazy. All right. So you made it through. Yeah, you got it, Buzz. Um, and I don't know if you want to talk about your career at all, but do you want to kind of go into what led you to do the deliver fund? Because you got into that and that's what segued into what you do now. So we got back, came home and then how did you get into it? You want to talk about any of your career you can, but I don't want to. No, that's fine. Yeah, we'd be here all day to talk about other stories. So yeah, I got, we would. I mean, I actually, I mean, I, so I did go. Hang out. So I know I can talk all day long. I did go to an SDV team, right? I went to SDV team too, so I was in Virginia and actually, so Danny Dietz was in my first platoon. And then, I'm sorry, it was my second platoon that Danny was in. And then right after that, he was a new guy in your platoon. He's a new guy in my platoon. He's a second one. He was with you. Yep. And so, and then I'd gotten down to Panama City Beach to be his instructor slash research and development down there. And so I was down there. Now, is that, that's pretty sweet gig, right? Yeah. Well, it wasn't, it wasn't because I actually asked to go to Bahrain. So I could, because I was, I had, you know, coms, sniper, free fall. And I was like, I just wanted to augment guys that were coming through. Oh, you should try to get a little on. I'm talking about, like, if you're all on and then, right. If you're off line, I mean, it's like spring break, you know, party area. But it was, it was cool. I liked it. And I, you know, it had its good things for sure. But when you came home from Afghanistan, we, we came out here and that was my introduction to Texas, really. But we, a handful of guys came out like Pittman was like, Oh, I'm going to introduce you to him. Yeah. And prior listeners, like, we were talking about this earlier. I don't know if this was being recorded or not, but Marcus and Morgan really did bring so many non Texans to Texas, whether it was right after Red Wing when Marcus came home, or even during Red Wing when a lot of the guys came just to sit at the house in Huntsville. But even in between like after buds or what, anytime he went home, he brought these big droves of team guys and introduced them to Texas. Even some of your friends married girls from your town. I was like, you can't believe we're living with some people. Like I was like, Hey, I just brought him here once. And then after that, the word that like, how are you going to Texas? You going home? And I'm like, yeah, y'all want to go and let's go, man. And we would. It's so funny to me. They're all still getting good. Yeah. So funny to me that. Isn't that great? Yeah, that's how you got introduced to this. That's how I got him. Yeah. Yeah. Just got to get him here. Once I get him here, then the rest of the rest of the world. And you need all the other mutual friends slash fraternity brothers, you know, and you end up. Yeah. And then and it just, I mean, you got married. Forgot to say, I'm on the same spot by right. I mean, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. That's how. So so I ended up going, um, getting out of the Navy right after that. And the funny thing is I actually got orders to go to Green Team. And, uh, with a couple of other guys that were good friends, man. And, and, and I thought about it, but I was, I was disgruntled enough at that point that I was like, I just wanted to get out. And I was also kind of on that, like, I was 29 years old. And I was like, well, if I stay on much longer, you know, then I'm in it for the distance. Yeah. Yeah. And at 29, I stayed a little bit longer than I was planned on originally. So I was like right at my 10 year mark. And, um, and if you went to Green Team, you had to sign on for like, additional five years. I just wasn't really willing to make that commitment and being that I was already a little bit kind of just disgruntled with some way things were being managed. Was that because of Red Wing or other stuff? No, just in general. I think I, I, I think some of the guys, you know, like it was earlier on in, in things where certain platoons were just getting overworked and certain platoons were getting no work. You know, and it's just kind of a. How about that? Remember them time? I mean, it was like that. Yeah. And I was on the side of like getting underworked and we're like, we're here. We're ready to trade out. What's happening? It's about your super frustrating. Super frustrating to around us. Yeah. And so. Handful of things. I was like, you know what? I'm not going to chase us. Like I'm, I'm just going to get out and have a career, do my own thing and not really be at the needs of the Navy anyways. And, and so be a little bit more master of my own destiny. And I had this entrepreneurial, you know, mindset, I thought. And so I got out and moved home, started an excavation business for like three years. And I kind of wasn't even really into like the, you know, go over and do the, you know, black water kind of stuff that a lot of guys were doing, making good money the time. And about three years into one of my seal buddies said, hey, you should check this job out. And in the, so what I had with excavation in Montana, in the winter time, there's not a lot to do. Yeah. It's not really worth the time. So I was skiing and doing other stuff. And I was just like not really making money during the winter. So I just, I thought that'd be a good like, yeah, I could do that for the winter time a little bit and come home in the summer, do excavation, whatever. And so I didn't really know exactly what I was signing up for then either. But I kind of said, I'll go to the training. I just said, well, how much do they pay, you know, and how much do I got to work? And so they're like, pay you by the day. And you work a couple months at a time. I was like, cool. So I went to this training and ended up being, would say it was the same job that the guys from 13 hours were doing, right? But all my trips ended up going to Iraq for that. So I did that for like five and a half years. And I would do a couple months on, a couple months off, usually. And it was a pretty fun thing. I mean, you and I actually had a conversation right before I decided to do that. I don't know if you remember this, but in the old seal house, because I showed up when night late and I was telling Marcus like, talking about this, like, do I go this way or that way? And actually funny enough, like her brother offered me a job. But I was going to be in Alabama. I'm like, I don't really want to live in Alabama. And it was before we were dating, but like, but it was like, you had a couple of different options and I chose the one I chose. So I did that for five and a half years. And on my last trip over there, I went to Baghdad. And flying out, Ryan Zinke and I run the same flight, he was going to California. I was going to DC and he was just getting ready to run his first US congressional campaign. And so I said, look, I'll help you, but I don't really know what that means. But I'll help you however I can because we're from the same town, same city. And I just felt like, you know, obligated and helped team guy out. So he's like, cool, you're going to be a regional director. I'm like, I don't know what that means, but. Oh, yeah. Happy to be here. Yeah. So that's what I did. I came back from that and hopped into that political grasp. Is there a bad ask for that? Because if it is, I only want to enter the bad one. Okay. Get a coin. That's about it. So that was a really good experience for me to learn about politics and on that grassroots. I know Morgan Morgan just went to prison, right? And so. Amen to that. I remember when you were doing that, we went down to Houston. Yeah. And so I just got to kind of experience all that. And then right after that, a guy who I'd worked with, you know, overseas, basically said, hey, I'm starting this non-profit to do counter human trafficking. And I said, sign me up, you know. So I did. I jumped in with that. And for almost, you know, seven and a half years, probably, I was a co-founder of that. And around from the beginning. And you know, their whole mission was to equip, train, advise, law enforcement to go after human traffickers, kind of a target centric methodology to focus on going after the bad guy. And, you know, through that, I definitely learned how important the data is to that fight. You know, we call it open source intelligence, right? Like, you know, even the CIA spent a lot of time going after bad guys through human intelligence and trying to, you know, have somebody track them around. And eventually they got smarter or have the option to use, you know, open source intelligence and follow people around in a little bit easier way just looking at their, you know, digital footprint, right? And so one of the things that we're doing now is we started this company, Com Technology. And we're focused on collecting data, any kind of data on human trafficking or exploitation and globally. And if we can collect all that data and figure out how to organize it and give attribution to human trafficking, then we can allow access to that at different levels from governments, corporations. And I think one of the things that's always been missing is having a tool to put in the hands of a direct consumer. So we actually have a mobile app that is going to tell you if you're interacting with somebody that's in, you know, this database of nefarious characters. And so, you know, that's where... Because it's already a database, right? It's just the American people or the public doesn't have access to it, correct? I've never... I've always wondered if like the NSA or somewhere they have this database, but I don't really know exactly what they would have because even Microsoft actually came out recently and said, you know, here's our database, but it was... what they provided was all of the convictions that had happened, right? So if you're a human trafficker and you're convicted, here's your... I'm saying, oh yeah, that's what it's showing, right? But what didn't exist, to my knowledge, was something that's more preventative. So like, out of all the human traffickers that get convicted, what is that percentage? 10%. I don't know, not... Most of them don't get convicted. So... Why? Well, because there's no resources, there's... law enforcement doesn't have the technology, they don't have the money, and even if they do, they don't have the time, and the prosecutors also and because the problem's gotten so big. And so, what I think a lot of people don't realize today is around like human trafficking specifically is we think of it as... I mean, we still think of it as like, well, that's just pimps and prostitutes on the street, you know? If you go to like Houston, you go, well, there's this and that, you know, lane or street, and it's happening on that street, and you can see it's out of the open, but technology has allowed that market to move onto your smartphone. So if you're selling anything for business, you know, you want to have it accessible via a smartphone, you can do business right from anywhere, anytime, and you can connect a consumer with a purchaser with the product. And so that's happened in the human trafficking world too. And so there's websites that have commercial sex advertising where it's maybe done in the guys of a escort ad, but when you look at it, it's quite obvious that it's, you know, like, it's pornographic of nature just looking at it, and so it's clearly advertising for sex. And then you can read what they say in the ad, and it's obviously advertising for sex. And so one of the things that we can do is we can collect all of those ads from all of these websites around the world where they're doing commercial sex advertising. And then in different areas and locations, there's different known indicators of what is human trafficking versus maybe just prostitution or something else. Because those are different. They can be different. I mean, you would think that there are people that want to make a living, and then there are people that are doing it against their work. So prostitution is one, if you're a minor, you're not legally old, you're not legally old enough to make a decision to be a prostitute. So that's considered human trafficking if you're a minor. Secondly, if it involves forced fraud or coercion, then it's a trafficking case, at least in the United States, right? That's our law. And so that is part of the criteria. So we're looking for indicators that show forced fraud or coercion. And there's a lot of things from the text of the ad to the emojis that they, I never know if I say that right, emoji, emoji, whatever. And so they, so we take all of that, and in different areas around the world, there are different indicators because cultures are different, society is different. And so we do the attribution with that through machine learning and AI. And then we have this database that we can make accessible at any level. And so like governments can use it because the governments need to find that out. And then we actually have an app for law enforcement as well. And the app for law enforcement is super cool because it's going to also include facial recognition components. So if an officer has got a girl on the street and he can immediately see, like I can take a picture and say, does this person pop anywhere in the global database on human trafficking? Or if a missing child, and I use the example too, like last summer in Dallas, there was a 14 or 15 year old girl who was at the Mavericks game, if you heard about it. Right. And so she was, she was, she was taken, abducted, and there may be some more. She went to the bathroom. She went to the bathroom. She left her cell phone with her dad. And so she goes to the restroom and is just gone. And they don't find her for like 12 days. And there's a nonprofit out of DC who was basically the cyber hunters. And they were looking for her and they were looking at these different sex advertisements. And they were trying to see if she'd pop up anywhere. And 12 days later, they found her, she popped up on an ad in Oklahoma. And so I think it was in Oklahoma. And so law enforcement was able to do like sting operation, they got her back. But during that amount of time, I mean, you can imagine, like usually it's they're raped between six to 20 times a day. I mean, that's kind of like these trapped victims are often sold that often in a day. And so for that many days, you imagine, kill these guys? You've asked me that before. My answer is the same. I can either confirm or do not. Maybe they should, right? I mean, the old days you stone people like this, right? So, so this is, oh, we got a special place. Yeah, don't worry about that. And so this is like one of the tools that never existed before was like, I mean, imagine, you know, if your daughter's in college, and she's on a dating app, and she's interacting with somebody, and how she's supposed to know if they're in a Ferris character or not, we can allow them to have that be empowered with that in their own hands to say, this person is associated with commercial sex advertising and these indicators of human trafficking. So now it's your choice whether or not you want to interact with them or not. And then with law enforcement, again, they can have a tool that can help find missing children, victims, and help identify who's involved. So that's sort of bring back the public know we had the public service announcements and then we were in school, then you had the civic civility and then like teach kid how to keep their head on a swivel at the young age. Do we do that anymore? They do that in public schools anymore? I think they just focus on gender. What do you want to be today? They focus on inclusion and gender studies. I would also add that, you know, a lot of times too, like they're more focused on like the stranger danger piece, right? And like what to look out for with, you know, people you don't know, but a lot of the trafficking, the majority of the victims, it's through like a relationship that already exists, be it like family member, a friend of the family, or just somebody that they're interacting with whom they actually trust versus somebody that is unknown to them. Or it's what the actions, right, as opposed to the person. Because I feel at a young age, you're teaching them different because they learn different in capacity as opposed to adults do. It's like, because they can aga. I don't think you know what camouflage is as a kid. You know, I'm talking about like whatever they whatever a human comes out with, it's probably what they think. And you don't really pick that up till later. Or it's something happens to you. I think there's got to be a way we can teach. Right. Sarcast them. How the hell can you because you don't want to teach them that. Yeah. That's one of those things that got dropped into, I don't know, planet Earth that we had to do with, man, I guess. Our kids already have sarcasm. I guess most. I'm talking about the best at man. I mean, it's part of my vocabulary. So is this app available to everybody? Anybody can download it. It will be. I mean, we're probably a month or two out from it being being launched. We're in the state right now where we're collecting that. I mean, it's a it's a multitude of websites that we're collecting from globally. And so we are the app is going to the app store soon and we have to go through a little beta testing and then it'll be on. So anybody can pay like it's probably going to be like five bucks a month, you know, and a parent can get like a you can have a family plan so you can keep your family safe, you know, you can you can type in a email or phone number information into it to see if it pops again on any of any of that database. And then, you know, and Brittany's talked a lot about to you, like there's other data sets that we can include into that as well. Probably eventually, but like our flagship launch of it really is focused around human exploitation. So is it something where in this app, like you're typing in someone's name as if you're doing a background check or how is the app working? It's both. It's it's the goal is to have it where you can type in something, any piece of information and see what pops, you know, what matches and comes back. So whether it's any kind of personal identifier, if it's a phone number email, social handle, or just something that is listed in the text or in the law enforcement side again has the facial recognition match as well. But then also our goal is to get to the point where we basically have the technology that looks at what you're seeing. So you can choose which apps you want it to monitor. And as you are on your phone, it's monitoring those apps you're giving it user consent to look at those those other apps. And so eventually, if you are getting an Uber and you want to know that you're a driver or even if you're an Uber driver, you want to know who's getting in your vehicle. It's like your own personal resume that you already have on it. Yeah, totally reverse resume. And then back you said background checks and actually like Brittany was volunteering to be a Sunday school teacher and she had to do background check, you know, but you know what data they don't currently have and they should have this person got any involvement with human trafficking, you know, or sex advertising. Yeah, they should. And so like we can pipe our data into a plethora of different places that all even on the financial side, there's a no-your customer, you know, KYC kind of component. And you know, this is going to be something that, and we can talk to Morgan about helping to get that pushed through, you know, but there's never been a Congress person I've talked to yet who isn't looking for a way to help fight human trafficking. Right? So this is just something that in the evolution of how you fight human trafficking needs to happen and provide good data to, you know, all those different, you know, places I mentioned. Sometimes this is when we came online became adults, we got our tech back. It's like before 2000, we were grounded. All right. You know what I mean? And I don't know what I'm talking about this day too. It's like men back in before 2000, no one was on the same time. Right? Like your watches would be a minute off or something. Oh, yeah. You have some problems. You have to do that. Time? Wait, do you time hack everywhere? Now it's all satellite. Everyone's on the same. So that had to do something to us. Even like different phone carriers would be a minute off. Yeah, right? Yeah. Now that had to have changed us somehow. There are so much things that change. And I mentioned this a couple times, I spoke to a group of, there was actually a political group of people, but one of the guys was an older gentleman there who has been technology his whole life. He used to make like the chips that go into, you know, cell phone and stuff, right? And so he said, so what you're telling me, it's more of a statement than a question is like, you know, held up as iPhone, and he said, this is nothing more than a brick in the tower of Babel. And I thought, poetic. I thought that was deep. Wow. Okay. And then I was kind of in the moment, I was like, okay, I'll process that as fast as I can and move to the next question. Right. But then the more I thought about it, the technology has gotten to this point where we are so like, it's everything to us, right? And to that statement about it being a brick in the tower of battle, what's the story of tower of battle? You know, like it's a humans decided that we don't need God because we have, we can build our own tower to heaven, right? We don't, we don't need God. And technology has kind of done that in a way too, where it's not kind of like it has done that, where we don't need, we don't need God because we can create everything we need through AI, through technology, through, you know, and in that story, God said, I'm going to spread you out because never again, I'm going to allow you guys all speak the same language and hang out, because this is the kind of stuff you come up with, you know, it's a humanistic kind of approach. And where again, where you're just trying to eliminate God, and he's like, oh, I'll just separate you guys. Well, now we're back to that place again, where you can talk with anybody at any time, in any language, because you have the technology in your, in your, exactly. And if you know what to type in that stuff, you can get anything out of it. That's information. Right. Like you pull it down, like we crave that and the tower of battle breaks brilliant. If he said it that way, it was, because if you want to confound the languages, how would you do that? You separate us, right? Think about how many different languages there are. Then think of the slang that goes into that. You walk into a neighborhood and throw a wrong color out. Boom, you're dead. You're dead. That sucker right there is, I'm just funny now, because when I see the old timers, I'm like, look at that gun. You know, I'm talking about some got them too. It is, man. You can pull that off. The right person has that in her hand, making mess you up. Right. But it really is incredible and good in bad ways that with just a phone, we like Hunter and I went to Uganda and were able to communicate with someone in the middle of freaking nowhere just through our phone. I was able to show a farmer in Uganda how to preserve tomatoes because they were complaining of not being able to stretch their season out. Talk this person. It's completely bad. It's like we learned that something with A out the other day and they simulated what it would be to end the world. I'm like, you already put that in their head. Why would you even take that in there, man? If you teach it to do something, they were saying, man, you really got to put a lot of effort and time into training this. I'm like, sounds like a kid. I sounds like a child. You got to do the same thing with human because if you don't train us, they got a dangerous, that's a great. I saw something recently and I thought that it said that this AI had become sentient, I think is the word, which is based like, we are sentient beings. I might be saying that wrong. That's what you're saying, right? But like, basically, we become self-aware. When you become self-aware, you do what's in the best interest of you. If you are an AI slash computer slash robot slash whatever, if you're doing what's in the best interest of you and you decide, well, this is what Elon Musk has always been trying to guard against, I guess, to some point. He's like, be aware of what you wish for here because at some point, this is going to take over and we're at a crazy place right now because I think maybe even saw this. They had a fake podcast with Joe Rogan that came out with. I think it was like Sam Harris Joe Rogan, all done by AI. It was called like episode one and you couldn't tell the difference, right? You have chat GPT now from OpenAI and you can just say, I want you to write this, but now it's not just writing. Now you take video. I got our voice to do. You take your voice. You put any voice and any. I saw the president open the draft the other day. Right. Exactly. And I believe that was like, so scared me. I was like, what? Now, what can you actually believe? What can you believe? Like if we wanted a video back in the day, now you're like, hey, I need some people's eyes. I don't like you got to have two people integrity because you can you can make a video of anybody doing anything, especially if they're in public. Crazy time. And how do you prove that that's not like if they're making video and an audio of someone that's actually not true, how do you prove that that's not them? There's probably another team never quit podcast out there. You don't even know about you. Just like the different team ever put apparel stores that are up there. I mean, it's wild that even in like marketing, there's all these advertisements now like you have like Jasper, you have other different AI things and it's like, hey, I want to market to this segment. And like a friend of ours is a real estate agent. He's like, hey, I want to I want to focus on like this segment of people like, what should my marketing look like? And it's like, boom, here you go. In three seconds here, your whole marketing plan. How about that? Yeah. Like the whole like if you're having a conversation, like stress with kids, it's almost like that we got we got this. And then we were having so much fun with it. We had kids while we were doing it. And we hadn't put the rules in yet. So now they're playing with it. And you're like, yeah, we have to figure out how to how to monitor it. And it's a wild west. There's never been like real good parameters on like governing like how it can be used. And and so it's all out there for again to be used for good or even look it up. Like you tell your kids something like, really? How can who can do that? Who can put parameters on AI or even just what we can look up? What we can do on social media? Because there has to be something that's a dangerous place to go to because if you look at the last couple of years and you look at the censorship, sure. Oh, yeah. How would you even start that? We're going to have who would you get to do? We're going to have these fact checkers, right? I'm sure that those fact checkers are legit. Because any AI has to be written off of somebody's intelligence, somebody else a human kind of so which human did you get to do that? What's their political? How do they think when they get pissed? I'm not talking about when they're happy. What's their agenda? What would it look like when they get upset? Because when people get upset, the happy one goes away and like behind that they were this and if you don't know that. Look at what they did. Remember, was it wasn't a Twitter that was first like they kicked off the president of the United States off a social media platform? Yeah, but they got terrorists on there. Right. I never understood that. I'm like, okay, whatever he says on it, fine. Look, let's just put that to the side. Why do you still have terrorists on here? Like, how is that okay? But you are actually going to kick off the leader of our country. So is this a whole other conversation? Yeah. So you just download it. You get an app store. You download the app. Like the one for law enforcement will be specific to that. And then we've got our our mobile app. We're we're to finalizing the name of the app right now. So if you've got any good names, let us know. But if you put that app to team guys, yeah, because you know, we'll come up with some stuff. I know. You need like a role. Put it on the thread. We'll get out. Right. And we got the hey boys. We had a cool name. I know. I had a couple of I don't even want to say on here. But yeah. So so we're we're getting close to being able to launch that. And that is, yeah, I mean, that's going to be it. It's just going to grow in capability and be able to intersect all the different places that we touch the internet and people that we're interacting with in the digital space. And just in I think that corporations have a real need for it too, because something like hotels, motels, for example, I mean, they're getting sued because class action lawsuits of human trafficking victims saying like you knew I was being sold for sex on here. And same thing with social media platforms and short term rentals and it'll show yourself out eventually, right? Yeah. And so like this is like everybody really has a need to to deal with this and has a need for that good information. That's why I'm saying that I don't necessarily trust a corporation to have my best interest or my family or my daughter's best interest or even the government to have my best interest. So why not also have the tool that my family or my daughter can have in their own hands to be able to have that access to that data as well. So so yeah, since that's really have a change with the people that have come from the people not the people as an entity. I mean, I do this for like seven and a half years in this nonprofit, you know, fighting human trafficking world. And it is so difficult to raise money in a nonprofit, right? So I mean, obviously what we're doing now is a for profit business. We're going to have a nonprofit, but our nonprofit is going to be just to push money out to those other organizations that are fighting human trafficking or human exploitation. So it's kind of a pass through. And we become the vetting source for who's doing impactful work. But there's just a whole bunch of things that were missing in this fight. And that's one of them is having a real prevention tool that can be in the hands of anybody and allow you to make the decision of who you want to interact with at least let you know that there's something there. Because sometimes there's a whole grooming process that takes place over time, you know, and if it can give that child or that or that potential victim, that information, but also their friends can have access and be looking up people and saying, Hey, is this person my friend is interacting with? You might be caught up in it and not want to see what's happening to them. Because they're naive and they think they're getting attention and they're they, you know, this person must love them. And so friends can help parents can help monitor that. And so it just gives access to everybody. And at the same time, it's only like going to be a few bucks a month. And so it's like we can push out information and updates and things about human trafficking. So we it gives us like a microphone into society to say, you know, this is the problem. Here's how you deal with it. Here's how you think about it. Here's prevention models. Here's all these things. And the other the other component that we have too is we're standing up a platform that is like a video first platform. But it's for all. And this isn't really something we're capitalizing to make money on, but it's just something to help in the fight. It's having a platformer, all the different non-profits who are in the fight can be on this platform. And it becomes like a digital town square for all of them to promote what it is they do. But eventually one day, my goal, please department, exactly. My goal would be that one day, it becomes robust enough that a child goes missing anywhere in the world. And you have all these people who are already claiming to be the people in this fight, you know, because law enforcement doesn't always have those resources, but you have all these non-profits who are raising money and saying, this is what I do in the fight, you turn them all into first, you know, responders and engage them. And you're like, Oh, you're a super cyber hunter guy? Cool. Boom. Here's the missing person. Go for victim services, engage, you know, like have everything some of if a sazza blast comes out from there, it's like drop a web, right? Exactly. And as soon as everyone gets contacted and wherever you're sitting, everybody's working immediately. So in that case of the girl, we're making it happen. You are making it happen. We are. Yeah, for sure. So for yeah, so is our all because there's so many different human trafficking organizations when I okay, are they talking to each other? Are they supportive of each other? They're mostly in competition of each other because kind of like, I would say churches, but like, you know, like anybody who's in a nonprofit is like fighting for dollars, it seems like, right? Sometimes they don't realize that people are going to support what they want to support, and they may support multiple charities all in the same field, right? But people in the nonprofit space are like fighting for dollars, and they're they're they're trying to make their case why they're better than everybody else and everybody else sucks. So what I love about what we're doing now is we become essentially like agnostic in that and we say we're here to support all of you guys. And our nonprofit, our whole thing from the nonprofit size is to give money to, you know, those other charities that are doing good work. Our for-profit business is there to make money, but provide tools and prevention and have a huge hammer in the fighting against human trafficking. But as we push, we push resources to those who are doing the work. What we want to do is we want to have that platform where they can all engage in as it'll be like a you think of it kind of like a YouTube platform in a way where they can have their own channel in there, but there's it's going to be more than it's like kind of if you it's all on web three, but it's if you if you had Instagram and YouTube and maybe a couple other things kind of all combined together, that's what this platform does. And it also allows all of those nonprofits to, you know, interact and communicate in a way, but it also allows anybody else who wants to be involved in fighting human trafficking in their area to say, how do I get involved where I get involved? Who's doing what? You go on there, you see you see who's doing what they're advertising and we're promoting all of them. What's it look for to? Yeah, scenario based traps, how they're played out. And we'll have like everything from like, you know, this is a research center, like here's the white papers to here's the people that are like undercover doing sting operations or whatever. Right. It's everything in between. And then and then just empowering them to all work together. So there's there's really good examples where that can happen and actually Houston is a great example because the government has come together to form a task force that involves like five counties and it has everything from the US Attorney's Office down to crime stops, you know, that's good. Yeah, there's a straight line from top. So one thing gets handed off to you. Yeah, that's how stuff that's how it gets before they ever make that arrest. They've already talked to the attorneys. There's what I've got and they said, well, this is why I need this to before you can go do this. So they tie all again, they do phenomenal jobs, phenomenal model. But it's that's a combination of government and some nonprofits together. When you see that happen when they when they all work when you get everyone on the same page and they flow like what happens overnight? Yeah, I mean, it's quick. Yeah. So we want to empower that just to the next level and then get these nonprofits to appreciate the space that they're in appreciate the thing that they do that they bring to the table and then just promote them in that, you know, not everybody needs to do the same thing or that or not everybody needs to do the same things everybody else or be, you know, people want to do you a little bit more money. If we just have a little more money, we could do everything, you know, no, just focus on the thing that you're good at, right? And then we can really help them. I feel like so many of them do have their own niche. And so it would be good if they worked together because they're not all doing the exact same thing. So if they did. That's what it is all about. Yeah, work together. Then there would be such a bigger impact instead of making each other a veteran or veteran. That's your next challenge to create an app to network all the veterans organizations together where they get a we've always wanted to do this ever since we first got married. Like Marcus started Lone's Forever Foundation just a few months before we met. And then, oh, I mean, it was like this huge flood of non-profits started after that. I mean, in 2010, a ton of them started that year, the year we got married. And I think it was because there were a lot of deaths going on in the war. And there was just a lot of things going on. And the war was so hot and heavy at the time. And we were Marcus said, well, if I would have known that all of these different organizations were going to pop up, I would have never started this. And we always talked about how we wish we could somehow be a network to people. And you have to earn that. And on the side, we have, I mean, privately, if people come to us can ask like, Hey, I have a friend that needs this and this, I'll do a little bit of homework and send it to them. But it would be so cool to have one central space that was like, okay, you're a widow and you need help paying your mortgage. Go to this place. If you are a purple heart and you have a prosthetic and your VA is not paying for it, you need this, go to this place. You know, like there's so many different things. It's there. And there's something for everybody to put it on the internet. We do. No, that's a really good idea. I don't think it'd be all that difficult. It'd be that difficult. I mean, because we just have to check in. Exactly what we're doing for this. We're tying all these nonprofits together that all do different things. And we're going to tie them together in a way as when it's like time to engage. You know, it's like, here's your, you know, and you can kind of see who's actually doing real impactful work when it's like, Oh, yeah. Here's a mission. You hear about it. Who's able to actually, you know, next year about it, right? And same thing with the veteran side. I mean, when I was working with Ryan, we were running around Montana, it was like, it was like same deal. I started meeting all these guys who were starting a organization and they all wanted the same thing. They're like, I just need to find this billionaire guy and have him buy me this property because it's got a really cool lake on it. And I'll just help guys that, you know, need PTSD, this or that, whatever. And it's like, yeah, well, I'd love it if some billionaire guy bought me a cool prop. Two hundred acres. But it doesn't. We had to work and buy it. You know, and the other side was like, you know, like how much time is spent on the just administrative side of it? And then these guys who had a real vision to do something impactful, they, their whole time is spent doing administrative stuff, not actually doing the mission. So if you could have an umbrella of like, here's, here's the administrative side. Now we have like multiple people that are just going and doing their mission, you know, and, and even make it a collective, you know, it would be so much more. It didn't exist for us. That's why the, the nom guys had some kind of stuff. And then you have egos, right? So that's what was what you're doing. And hence, you're strapped up with it when you come out. Yeah, for sure. I love what you're doing with this. Yeah. So if we need to bring attention, how do people find you a follow-in? And really just follow the app. Like when it's going to come out and all that, I know you have an Instagram that's giving information. Brittany can mention that. Yeah, we, so we're on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn. Been on since just February. So not a lot of content on there. But the website is kind.tech and that's C A I M dot tech. And then it's kind of technology or kind tech on all of those platforms. Okay. Kindness, Gaelic word, like she said, see AI. And you know how many people speak Gaelic? A lot. Turns out. Really. We're like, what? Well, my, yeah, so, like I said, to brush up on it turns out. Yeah. I don't get all that we need to know. But yeah, so kind is actually a Gaelic word that means sanctuary or protection. And so that's kind of a deal. And remember tower bevel. Yeah, comes down to the language. That's right. Climate technology. And so anybody tech is the website and we're making it more robust by the day. And people can follow follow us on the social media platforms she mentioned. And then they can also go on right now, I believe on the website, the homepage, they can actually pre-register, just sign up through email to get updates regarding the app. So as soon as the app is launched, just once it's available on the major stores, then notification. And at the longest it might be four months or so before that's available. We're hoping it's less than two months. Yeah. Okay. That's so incredible. I'll use it. I'm always scared when I get into an Uber. I keep my window down. I'm like, oh, I need fresh air. I always have these like, okay, am I going to need to escape or scream for help? Or I have Marcus or one of my sisters on the phone the whole time. Are you following me on my life 360? I suppose you get a teen guy back there. He's like, I want me to get a baby. Yeah, I'm so happy that you all are doing this. And I think it will be revolutionary. With just the safety of our kids or everybody. I mean, even- You think we put the most effort into that? Yeah. Right. So I got back and we started doing this and when you have them online and they grew it and they ran it and they're like, hey man, the most important thing we got to ask them. Yeah. Like you want to change something, we got to protect them and teach them. Yeah. Our little ones are 10 and 11 now and so they're starting, they're at that age. It's like, can we go to a friend's house or can we go, you know, whatever? I'm like, oh, no, who's the people? That's their slam and email. Like with accent. I mean, I was saying that loud, man. I was like, okay, so I got a kid. He's, you know, he speaks Spanish. He freaking loves basketball. He goes Jiu Jitsu in his boy scout, you know, he's starting to scout. So I was like, that's a, that's a good solid resume right there. You give him that little base. That's what my brother and I had. Just two of those. I was like, you teach him when you're young. I mean, yeah, don't go out and act while you know, soil those oats for sure. But if it's in there, it's in there. Although Addie wants to do everything Axta's because she wants to beat him at it. So she's going to have her girly stuff plus everything Axta's. I want to teach her everything. I told her I killed her. She's seven. My daughter's, her daughter's two in a holy smoke. She is, she's tough. Yeah, she is tough. She is this little angelic child. Sweetest can be always full of joy, but she's tough. Yeah. Look at her own. Yeah. She's got a big scene protecting her, man. That's a different story altogether. Not including all the green, brazing, range, and everybody. In town. Yeah. Our son starts Jiu Jitsu next week. Oh, fun. Yeah. Starting him early. I got to do is take him and drop him off. Four years old man. Just send him in there. Just really know much everything that. I didn't realize that. I thought it'd be like pain in my ass, but really all I got to do is go in. And my brother's in there. So in some of my boys, so it's like, we'd hang out. Yeah. Yeah. Morgan's kids are in it too. So the dads go and take the kids. My partner. That's awesome. Yeah, man. Oh my gosh. It is. Yeah. Well, thank you all for coming out here. I know you had to come from Montana, but thank you so much. And we can't wait to see what this does. Trying to make a world better place. And yeah, you know, you are making it a better place. This isn't a tangible way to do it. So we will definitely have the app on our phones for sure. Awesome. Thank you guys for coming out. And thank you everybody for listening in. We'll see you next week on team Never Quit Podcast. Bye. Bye.