Mike Glover: Retired Green Beret & CEO of Fieldcraft Survival Discusses How To Be Prepared In The Worst Case Scenarios

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Team Never Quit Podcast. As always, thank you guys for listening, watching, viewing, and please hit that subscribe button if you want to keep seeing more shows. So before we dive in today's very special guest, let's kick it off with our Patreon question of the day, which is what causes the most harm in the world, but is completely avoidable? Alcohol. Wow, man, you just shifted the question and it went real deep, you know what I was talking about? I was like trash. I think trash laying around everywhere is the one thing. I think alcohol, because when you drink too much, you become a complete asshole. And it causes a lot of harm. Yeah, I'm going to say the lack of common sense. I mean, the common sense is not so common anymore, but if more people pay attention to just having a little bit of common sense, most of the things that you see go wrong or because of the lack of it. So common sense could go a long way. Yeah, I agree with that. That's good. That's true. I wonder if we plug a lot of stuff in front of us that doesn't allow us to look common. Yeah, gets in the way of all that. That's right, complacency, breeds complacency. Yeah, at a minimum, it breeds complacency. All right, what do you got? Better be good too, because you've got a frickin' college and it causes fortune. I want to say just like how divided the political world is. I think that's something that's avoidable, but I don't know. It causes so much harm just because everybody's always on an opposite side. Wow, that's a great answer. That was good. Yeah, the polarization. Yeah. Nice job. All right, brother. Thanks again for coming on here and doing that, man. What was your question or what was your thing? His was trash. Trash. He hates trash. Marcus, that's right. Literally picks up trash. And this is not it. I'm up, put him down or anything. We'll be walking into it. No, I'm not. I get, bro, I get made fun of me for picking up trash. I'm not making fun of you. I've never heard of such a thing. I have not made a video. I pick up trash all the time. Oh, it's a thing for us, man. Everywhere we go, he'll even pick up discarded face masks. That's the only thing I'm like, babe, don't touch those. Do you realize that we went to Iraq and Afghanistan? And I've had everything known to man shoved through my body, dude. The whole premise behind trash, it's just you can pick it up. I mean, I love that you pick up now. Oh, and when you're with me, it's really a thing because my queen doesn't walk over trash. I told you that we got married. That's the main reason why I do it. I love that you do it. I'm just saying those. I don't get any props for that. That's probably the coolest freaking line I've ever said in my entire life. Yeah, you did good delivery. That was pretty cool. That was sweet. You did good. All right. Well, let's get into your story. So we have a lot of friends in common, but I don't we've never had the chance of hanging out with you, but we do have like everyone who endorsed your book were friends with. So we have a lot of friends in common. So if you can just tell us where you're from, give us a little background about who you are. Because if it's anything like all of us and the fact that we're kind of we're still together after all these years, it's almost like when we were born, we were separated. And all guys had to go through all that shit. And now we're here. And we're the last guys that should ever have had one of these. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's the best that we do. And now we got this too. I mean, we do got some pretty cool toys, man. You got to you got to admit that. I mean, now I got a few. It is. So where did you start at? Where were you born? So I was I was born in a military family. I was actually born in Fort Ord, California, which is an old military base that doesn't exist now right in right near Monterey, California, where my dad was in the infantry at the time. He separated from the army and we moved back home, whereas mom was at the time. My whole family is from Georgia. So we got a Southern upbringing, but they all relocated to Daytona Beach, Florida, where my granddad got a job at the Greyhound races, based on race, Greyhound, and then I grew up in Daytona Beach for a period of probably about seven or eight years and split the difference between my mom because my mom and dad were separated between Fayetteville and North Carolina right outside of Fort Bragg and then Daytona Beach. So grown up in a military family, both with my mom's side, her new husband was in the Air Force at the time. He retired in the Air Force, continued that service. So I was immersed in this kind of military environment and at the age of 17, decided to join the army. I mean, like any kid who grows up in a military family, I was like, well, I know, I know my path and I joined the army at the age of 17. I wasn't because of them. I started my journey. Was it because of them? Do you have any siblings? Yeah. So I was an only child, but had lots of cousins. All right. So was it the movie? What movie got you? I think it was a combination of full metal jacket, putune, and rambo. Such a great combo. I think that's such a great drink. I think that's a fantastic drink, man, because that's one of the ones that got that, I went that route to, man. Back in those days, the movies they were putting out were the best recruiting tools ever. Hands down. They were. They were. And they showed the real side of it. It wasn't all glamorized. I mean, rambo is a story about a Vietnam veteran, green beret who comes back and the sheriff messes with them and he burns the entire place to the ground. I mean, that's a problem. I mean, it took, yeah, as it tends, it could get. Thank you, Salone. I mean, I try to model my, my adventure life after that, dude. He kind of laid the blueprint out for all of us. I was motivated. I was motivated by those movies. And certainly that the time, at least, Hollywood wasn't afraid to tell the doom and gloom and the realness of what you were getting into. So I think resilience and all the stuff that we talk about in the book, those things were built at a very young age, probably from those movies. In fact, Navy Seals, which still to this day is when my favorite. It's the greatest movie ever made. It's ever made with Charlie Sheen. Charlie Sheen, when he comes up at the raster with the MP5. That's so good. That's my favorite scene of any movie. That hit him jumping off the deep bridge. When he jumps off the bridge and when he wakes up on the beach in the morning, I mean, that sold me. Whatever that life right there, when I saw that, I was like, I'll take it. What year that come out of the year? I hit pure media. This is when it happened, man. That's like that freaking movie. 85, 85, 85, 85, 85. Because 85 was a great year for movies. It just absolutely was. But for sure, yeah, we're Charlie Sheen. I'm a Charlie Sheen era seal. For sure, man. That guy, he nailed it. That was a good one. All right. So the last question, when you were, your dad was up, but you so fat and arm was with your pops, right? And then your mom lived down in Daytona. No, my dad was actually with his, we moved down because of his mom. Okay. So he worked in law enforcement. And then my mom remarried an Air Force guy, my, who's my stepdad today? And he was a 810 armament guy. And then he, he flopped over to the civil service side and did armament systems on 810s afterwards. So I was immersed in it either way. My uncle was in the Navy. My uncle retired out of the Navy after 20 years. And then my dad did, I think 13 years in the army. So it was just something that we, we lived in and we're immersed in as kids. I heard they're trying to get rid of the 810. Oh, yeah. They're still trying it. They, they did. I mean, when we were on active, they'd be together. They tried. They tried. That thing's a legend. It is. It's earned its place. I, I completely agree. I wouldn't be sitting here if it weren't for those suckers. That's the armament on or the hand. No, it's not the figure guy. That's different. I mean, this is the dragons that come through the sky. They got those huge mouths on the side of them. And they, you can hear them rattling from the sky. And they had a huge cannon right in their nose. And when they open that sucker up, I mean, it's the most impressive thing. It, I mean, is that a GI Joe cartoon? You guys never mind. Yeah, all right. So I mean, just the coolest aircraft ever. And they're trying to decommission that sucker, man. And they got an entire base dedicated to them. It's right off the side of that. That's where I saw them for the first time when I was a brag. Yeah, Pope Air Force base. A whole side of the base committed to them. And I, you know, I, I certainly had a good run with them in SF. And I just grew up in that world, you know, looking up and see and see when 30s and hair troopers getting pushed out and, you know, grown up at Daytona Beach with my uncle and his brother. Like everything was battle fatigues and playing in the, in the wood line with the guns. It's just how I was raised. And so it was just natural that I knew I was going to join the army. You said you joined at 17. What year was that? I'm 97. Okay. So it's great. 1900s, man. Yeah. Yeah. What's up? The last analog. That's it. Last analog. Yeah. We came online before online came online. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. So I did four years in the infantry and then went SF right after 9-11. And then spit the rest of my time as a green beret. Still, I got out as a start major in 2016. Wow. Really? Nice, man. And then started contracting with the CIA. Nice. Do you want to talk about any of your career or do you want to go in? I'll talk about it. Whatever you guys want. Yeah. Let's go into his career, whatever he's willing to talk about. So when you came into the army, you go in. Where did you join that? Join in a brag? Is there like a depot around there somewhere where? Yeah. Actually, I actually went through in Florida and then went through Jacksonville, Florida and then went straight to Fort Benning, Georgia, the infantry, um, schoolhouse. Yeah. And then you did four years and then green beret. So when you did that, so that would have been right after 9-11, were you one of the first to actually deploy in Afghanistan? No, I wasn't because I was in at that time selection, known as SFAS Special Forces Assessment and Selection, was very short, but the Q course, the qualification course, depending on your job, was long. What are you? So both, both during the invasion of Afghanistan and the invasion of Iraq, I was in the qualification course, getting my MOS qualification, my military specialty. I thought that was the best time to get to be doing that. That's when I was going through too, brother, man, because I'm a Delta. And I didn't know anything, I thought, see, it was a toss up between Commando and Rambo and Seals. Got me. So when I came over to brag to go through the Q course, I didn't know that the Delta Selection Sucked is bad as it did. The 18th Delta? Yeah. I mean, they call it Shawshank Prison. And they were throwing all these lines at me, and I actually wasn't paying attention. I didn't know, well, it's not miserable, it's just like living with a different part of the family, man. You don't know what the hell's going on till you get in there with them. But the greatest part about SF Selection, man, is those Q courses, they suck, man. Each one of them are different, but, yeah. Dang, man. And go through that. It was a long suck, right? It's that like a short duration thing. I think my Q course lasted two years. So, and that included the hardest component of it, wasn't small unit tactics. It wasn't Robin Sage. It wasn't all these high speed training blocks. It was a language training. I had to go learn language, which for me was, I was lucky because I got French, because I was going to third group. So French for me was, you know, I'm a half-Korean dude, learning French going to the Middle East. I don't know how that worked out, but I mean, some of you guys would get languages and like, that doesn't make sense. Why in the hell? And it's like, because you know, they don't look at your pictures, right? They just look at the numbers and all the quals. I think sometimes because some of the guys, I mean, for as diverse as our fraternity is, especially when they mix this together, we can fit in anywhere. Ciao, Dior Pacho, Nostro Podcast. So, thanks to Babel. 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I was a weapons guy, and went to the QCourse. My first rotation was O5 in Afghanistan. I was my company, I don't know if you know Travis Osborne. He was one of the medics that was there with you. He was in my company. We were in the same company at the same time. So I was in Naree when all that went down, and then they pulled everybody from J-Bad and pulled some guys out of A-Bad, but I was in Naree, and they told us to, because we're the furthest northeastern Firebase of that location, they staged birds at our place and just told us to hunker down and just stand by, to stand by. Yeah, Travis is a good friend of ours. He was on the podcast a few months ago. Yeah, me and Travis grew up in Charlie Company's Second Battalion, Third Special Forces Group, and then Kent Solheim. I think you've seen him lately. Yeah, oh yeah, bro. He looks exactly the same, and that damn kid of his looks is better looking than he is. Oh, I know. He's like, he was on the diet, he was a diet team T.O. at the time, in O-5, but he became one of my T.O.'s a following rotation. You know what, I was with him when he got shot. If that dude, you want to talk about Captain America Kindle, he exists. He's a stud. The dude, what y'all think Captain America would look like, and what he exists. Yeah, Marcus always put me off the mountain. Yeah, Marcus always frags that he looks just like a Ken Barbie doll. You saw him. His hair, I mean, after a way was that that 30-mile ruckus, I think I was hair still poured on the side, real perfect, all blonde. He's got that dintin' smile. Am I lying? No, he's, and he's got one leg now. And he's got one shot in my rack. And he still runs faster than I do. And he still runs like elite level triathlons, and his son, I think, just graduated West Point. He did, bro, and he's through the, I think he's going through Q or already has already been through Q. Yeah, and he looks just like him. Like a, and I'm not talking about a mini me either. The kids freaking joked out. Looks good. And Kent, Kent's always been a stud, and I mean, he's a group commander now. I mean, he's like, he's like, he might even be done with his group commander time. That was like a year and then some change again. That's true. That's true. He's an old man. I thought he was like a, I don't know, the ranks, but he's super high up. Yeah, he's an old sister. What's Ryan to say? But he still runs and does like normally that you get your ass as you go up, you don't have to do all that beat down stuff. He still, still does it. Last year for the Operation Redwing anniversary, Kent had Marcus out to, like, was it binning? I don't even ask for the name of the damn bass. I can't remember it. I didn't know there was going to be a test. I completely, yeah, I, it was outside of Fayetteville. I forgot the name of the bass. It's top secret. It was outside of Fayetteville, but they did. That's what we say that, by the way, if we can't remember, it's Clue's Classbook. They did a recap, like an actual brief on that whole mission and what y'all the Green Berets did on how to get him out of there and like the strategies, what they could have learned from. It was this big, huge kind of learning course that they did last. Have you talked about lately? I have it. I have, I've lost contact with a lot of those dudes. I've never done on social media like I am, and so it's harder to get content with. Yeah, they're not. I keep in touch with Mario and Bo, I've talked to Mario yesterday. And we kind of cycle around periodically throughout the year. I had you on that, man, if you want, if you want to keep in touch. That's awesome. Yeah, be cool, man. All those dudes, I mean, we were all in the same company together, and there's some good dudes that were there. I mean, I grew up with those guys. Those guys, some of them like even Travis was like a mentor to me because I was a young dude. A younger than he was. He was young at the time too. And then we both went to the cliff together. The commanders and extremists were slated or on together, but yeah, man, those guys are rock stars. I think it was better for us to coming up in a wartime environment. I think the training's different. It's the fact that they were slack on us. They were harder on us, but then they were a lot of dumb stuff fell away from us. Like, we didn't have to deal with it. And then everything was like, we needed it. It came in there and we're all still hanging out together, as a matter of fact. I mean, think about it. He's in the army. There's no reason why we should know each other or know anybody in our same circle, right? But we freaking do. Not only that, we served with them. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. I remember, I remember actually leaving that rotation and right before I ripped out. Because they extended our trip because of all the things that were going on at the time. And it was supposed to be a six-month rip and it wanted to be like a nine-monther. But the day before I ripped out, I had dinner with one of my third group buddies, Eli. And he was with one of the last team 10 guys that were on the ground. And I had dinner with him. And we shared some stories. And I remember the, I don't remember the specifics of it so long ago, but I remember the weight of all the things that were taking place. And you're right, the priorities of work were different for us. The guys who are growing up now in the military, the priority of work. And Garrison is very different than the priorities of work and war. And so we were maintaining keeping forage and sharp for being able to shape and adapt at the speed of war. When now, I think a lot of that's lost. And I feel a bad for a lot of the new guys. I do. They live vicariously through the stories that we tell. I think that happens every generation, right? It has to rotate like that. Yeah. Yeah, it was constant. It was constant. Yeah, for your first deployment, that had to be really emotional and tough for you. I mean, when you're trying not to be... Where'd you go? Where was your first one? He was in a fight. It was in a race. I was in a fire-based in a race. No, no, I was... I'm trying to... When did you come in there? How long have you been there before all that happened? About four months. Okay, so we came in the same time then. Yeah, that's right. So we... I was at... I mean, I was at the fire base, but we were going... I was ripping back to the camp there. I think it was camp vans at the time. Yeah, camp vans. I remember the first time we pushed out with you guys because I was special deliveries. We got it when we got assigned to a tin. And I thought, you know, we got... We got a pretty kick-ass, man. You know, we got to stay on bargroom. There was a... We could eat and there was all the food and amenities and stuff like that. Subway. Yeah, bro. I mean, it was... It's kick-ass as it is now, like the volleyball club, but it was nice, for sure. But when we would bump out to you guys, just looking back on it now, just looking back on it now, is the way they let you all hang it out there. I mean, they literally dropped you off in the middle of freaking noise with just your full wheelers and just your crew into a mud hut, right, with a bunch of ammunition. And then they would tell us what to do from there. There's no more hanging, you nuts out to net, bro. That's some of the sexiest stuff we'd... I get the door kick-in and all that other stuff we did. But recon and out in Afghanistan, there's no... That's wild west stuff. It was wild west, man. I still reflect on that rotation, likely that year. That year? That had a good couple of rotations in Afghanistan, but that year, because of the timing, was the wild west. 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Like there has to have been something when you had that position looking back at yourself that you giggle at. You couldn't believe that you were the boss. You're like, no, looking back at those young guys coming something like that happened. I was like the first, actually I was the last group of SF guys before they created new requirements on time and service. I was like one of the last guys to promote so fast. So I was only E7 for two years. I was the E8 for three years. And then immediately my first look I got looked at for E9. I got picked up. So it happened so fast. I mean, I was a 20, I made the list for E8 at 29 years old. And I was a 30 year old team sergeant. And that's rare. But it always, I always looked at it. Whether I was teaching the guys or doing stuff. I always looked at it as, hey man, you know, I'm young. But I have experiences and I'm going to teach you as many lessons that I've learned over the years as I can because I assume the reason that I got picked up so fast is because the amount of time that I did have and leadership roles that I did have. And as a sergeant major, it was certainly that case. I think, so I got picked up for sergeant major on the reserve component in 19th group in Texas. And I had a guy tell me a lieutenant colonel tell me that I was the youngest sergeant major in Texas history to get picked up. So all right, so that's a big deal that you put the Texas thing on it. Yeah, I love the Texas thing is a big deal for me, man. I'm a big fan of Texas. It's a big deal, man. Texas always treat me proper out. So, all right, let me ask you this. What kind of disciplinarian were you? Were you an asshole? Or did you kind of let things, were you just like understandable? Hey, look, I did that. You did it. You didn't do it as well. I was never the disciplinary unless it came to standards. And so I expected, if you wanted flexibility, you had to meet the baseline. And I think a lot of a lot of guys who wanted flexibility. Oh, they overlooked that. Yeah, they did, yeah, they need the baseline. So if you met the baseline and if you met the standard and you exceeded the standard, I'd give you all the leeway you would need, all the rope you would need to hang yourself. Man, that's a natural phenomenon. It is. I mean, our guys that put out and fricking squared away, man, and they screw up out, especially when a women or liberty or something like that, look, they get slack. Hell yeah, they do. You damn right, they do. And they earn that. That's why someone in fools act like that, because it's like earning money. It's like credit. Hard work is credit or money. Would you go do that stuff? That's the best way I can explain our guys. Yeah, I think we call it blue chips at one point in the military. If you have blue chips, because you earned it, because you're in a position where you did the hard work, you gained it through experience. And there's a reason you were there. You were given the benefit of the doubt. I mean, everybody makes mistakes. But now, obviously, disciplinaries, and depending on what school you come from, we call them square pegs. Yeah, square peg would burn a man's career to the ground with no latitude. And you can't have and breed a group of men who are willing to do the things that you and I did, and our peer groups did, and still expect them to be on the up and up. It's like the analogy, like a malenwalt analogy. You can't train a malenwalt to bite, kill, and thrash, and not expect them to be on as best behavior all the time. Yeah, you could train them to be a house pet, but expect he will get nippy, and you just have to have that conversation. But to expect that that never happens, this is not a reasonable education. Man, if they're scared to death, they won't engage. War is dying, especially for us, the GWATs, especially. Like our generations, and we're closed off now. The end of us, they started us and ended us, the GWATs. Yep, yep. We're completely different than everybody else. So, if you train them that way, if they're scared to death, then they won't even engage. We started to see that towards the end. It's almost like, hey man, you got to trust what you train. You got your best guys. It's going to be your best guys. You know they got a moral compass. It's on point, right? It's why you give them a little bit of slack, because you're putting them in an impossible situation. I mean, if they're good, that mentality is going to breed cowardice. You have to, you can't have it both ways. You can't have both ways. Exactly, and there's always the transition and to calm everybody down. I guess that's what they're trying to do. Is they try to calm us down, we get back. Well, how do you do that? Well, you got to enforce the rules. Well, what do you mean? Like, well, if you guys walk this way, if you do that, if you don't wear the right uniform, it's going to harm you, I'm like, but that doesn't register to us anymore, right? Because they need to be. It's a transitional time. I don't know how we got to come up with that. We will one time. We'll get it done eventually, but just by talking to it, I never even thought about that period of our life that we do that, but it's a real thing for sure. So with your career that you had, I mean, starting off on that high note of 05, which was insane in the war, going all the way to 2016, right now, you're one of the leading survivalists, people that look up to for survival and preparedness. What can you say are some key points that you took from your career going into that? Yeah, that's a good question. I don't think a lot of people, when they look at a career operator or career profession of high-risk kind of jobs in the military, they immediately assume the shoot-move communicate component, the technical skill sets that we developed are the reason why we are the way we are. And what I would say is my military certainly taught me how to have and develop what we call hard skills, you know, technical skills. But the overwhelming majority of me surviving, of peer surviving had nothing to do with hard skills, and everything to do with planning, preparation, attention to detail, culture, physical fitness, health and wellness, as a collective, and that's important to note. So it's not a hobby, you know, if you're in a profession where you're a special operator, it's not a hobby, it's a lifestyle. So when I teach preparedness and survival, this concept of survival has nothing to do with hard skills, even though we teach the hard skills, it's, I think it's necessary. But the bigger picture is you have to understand how to operate and be resilient every single day, not just in the worst-case scenario. Like if you want to be a good operator or a good survivalist, you got to be a good man as a start point. So a lot of the things that I grew up in and we took for granted, because it was just part of the way we were. I try to teach in civilians, and I think, you know, I weigh getting a good night's sleep over running and gunning with your carbene, and most people in my industry would disagree with that. And I would say, well, if you disagree with that, then look at the degradation of you as a human being, your mindset, your resilience, your ability to bounce back, all the things before you even pick up that info. So you need to take care of yourself, and I think that is what preparedness and survival is. Certainly, the hard skills are important, but that's almost an afterthought when compared to all the other things that we talk about. What do you think is the hardest thing to teach someone about preparedness? Resilience by far is the hardest thing to teach. Resilience, I would categorize as mindset. You know, mindset. You don't think that's a natural occurrence through the situation? Yeah, so, you know, like we heard mindset, like warrior mindset is what we grew up in. I remember all that, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like have a have a strong warrior mindset, or mindset is everything. And certainly it is. The problem with mindset is there's not a lot of experts or people communicating like the how or the why. If I want to be better in my mindset, what do I have to do? Now, imagine in the military, because you have buy-in, because you've volunteered, because the people you're with are similar to you, it's easier to develop that warrior culture in mindset, because you grow up in it and you're immersed in it. As a civilian, imagine trying to attain that type or high level of mindset and resilience or being the warrior when everybody who you're surrounded with is complacent, or not interested in being better. You know, they're just trying to pay the bills. Some of them aren't even trying to do that. Oh my goodness, Marcus and I just wrapped up this epic workout. All thanks to the incredible Fitbot app. If you're looking to shake things up with your workout routine, this app is an absolute game changer. Picture this, every day you have no idea what to expect, but that's the beauty of Fitbot. It keeps us on our toes with challenging and diverse workouts that kick our butts in the best way possible. Today, we tackled such an intense leg day, I can barely make it up to stairs. Fitbot is revolutionizing the way we all work out, thanks to its cutting-edge technology and personalized approach. 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What's they switch it on us? Yeah, which means that experience is on you. So people are like, give me the tips and pro-tips on building resilience, and I'm like, it's all on you. And they're like, oh shit. That's what they do to us. It switches. Most people sit around and wait for the bad time to jump on their ass. We go to it. And that's the difference. And there's an attitude difference. And somebody said this to me the other day, man, it sparks something on my head. I was like, hey, man, throw 50 grand in your pocket and walk around. See what that does to you. After that, throw a damn pistol in your pocket and walk around and see how you feel. It physically changes you when you have something powerful on you. Yeah, we had the opportunity to be violent, told and how to develop that. And we sank or swam. How about that? Then we got permission to do it, bro. They backed us up. When you have your parents and not only the government and your parents rooting for you, but everybody else, and then they made us do that. That's there's a natural occurrence that you can't train. It just shows up with that. That's right. You can't even talk about it. No one knows what it is. No one has any idea what it's going to show up. But it does. And that's the natural occurrence part that no one ever, they always leave that out. But yeah, man, you want to talk about a whole different level. So as someone that's been an instructor and you've seen all walks of life, do you think it's possible to teach someone out of the, you know, like the flight or fight kind of thing, the flight part? Someone that is just naturally scared. I mean, I am that person. If someone comes up to me like behind me, my first reaction is I don't have the aggressive stance naturally. But I mean, because of Marcus and growing up with a single dad, I have been trained to fight back. I've been trained. I can use a weapon very well. But I feel like if I was in that moment, I might need a minute because I do have that natural automatic, scared moment. Do you, as an instructor, do you think that it's possible to train that out of someone? Oh, yeah, absolutely. I think, you know, one of the things in making the correlation with military experience and being a civilian and not having that specific experience is the lack of conditioned training under stress. So one of the things that we teach is exposure through experiences, but that that journey can be your own. It could also be, it could also be conditioned and calculated. We can create those parameters for you. Like we do force on force training. We do personal security classes, even coming to a flat range or learning how to stop the bleed. All those things are beneficial and recreating a new baseline. And the things that you're talking about are very natural. Like the idea that you're going to rise to the occasion is a misnomer. You're going to fall to your level of training. And so specifically, training exposure through experience is going to help you get through these difficult situations. And it can be trained. And you know, we talk about catastrophe. We talk about disaster, the worst case scenario. All that is is a type of stress. It's a high grade version of it. Short duration of time, typically very much intense and volume. When you look at low grade, it's just not as intense. But stress has been official because we go through it every single day. And that stress is a mechanism of survival. It's supposed to drive your behavior, drive your nervous system to allow you to survive through your senses. And so those reactions are very natural. I think the problem now we have in our society is we have and created a new complacent baseline where now we're in fight or flight because we're stuck in traffic banging our head off the steering wheel. Well, you know, we had to call that first world problems. But people in real world problems don't do that because they have actual problems. So I think it could be trained. I think it can be conditioned. And I think most effectively and most important, especially for Americans, doing that allows you to understand your nervous system period and allows you to operate when appropriate at that fight or flight, that sympathetic nervous response. That's going to benefit you as a mobilization tactic in survival because it's all meant to benefit you. So I just think we need to understand it by conditioning ourselves for it, kind of understanding the diagnostic of it. And that's going to make us better, I think, as people, but also as people who respond to stress. Can you tell our listeners exactly what you do? Like, do you have a company that does create those scenarios if they want it privately or for their company or whatever? Yes, I do. So my company is called Field Craft Survival. And we've been in business for about eight years now. We do everything from education, which is like the non-imperson version of training where we do virtual online training on our app through education, on podcasts, on YouTube videos, all the things. And then we also provide training in person, which I think is really important. Everything from canning and jarring all the way to personal defense, but scenario-based training. We also offer experiences in building resilience. Like, I have a course called rewilding where we reset the dopamine that's in your head space that's basically a fog in your head. We clear that fog for you, show you how to do dopamine resets yourself. And we also provide products. So we offer first aid equipment, stop the bleed, and all the things that we think are essential and living a prepared lifestyle versus just doing a hobby. The guys in the SF community come up with the best ways. To stop bleeding. You want to talk about a shortcut with turnipids or chest seals or anything like that. I mean, some of the best adventures have come out of that community. For sure. Yeah, it's almost like SF for scouts. Like, boy scouts, and there needs to be a next level. There needs to be SF scouts. Yeah, right? We want to do, yeah, that's part of, it's all my mind for sure. Like, we need to clean. Somebody needs to frickin' do it. Yeah, we need to create culture back in the communities. That's part of what we try to do with our Philcraft fire-based concept is you know, we do jujitsu, do gyms, fit and stuff. But we want to be like the YMCA for preparedness in your own backyard. And I think it's important, a facet. I also think focusing on kids and building that resilience in them at an early age is very important. I think it should be a completely agree with that. In our family, if you get your black belt and your ego scout, we'll call you a black eagle. I think it should be in schools. I think that in pet, instead of PE, especially for the young ones, jujitsu, you get your ground game, your base. That's why they call it that. I mean, you start on the ground when you come into this world. Yep, and then you're always going to fall down. That's what keeps you strong. As far as the stuff that you teach, it's perfect. They need to have that, and what that does is that opens up their mind everything else. The world around them. If you have them operating in that, sure. And what you were talking about, that little fight or flight, actually is, once you get it, just, I completely agree with what he said. Once you train that, which is good. If you have that little pause, because some of us just smack the shit out of it. You know what I'm talking about? They'll just automatically go in. If you have that, there is that little pause in between to do that. Yeah, you can, that's called a gap. And you can train, put a lot of training in that, actually. 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Now we're relocating to about a three times the size of almost 20,000 square foot facility and Provo, Utah. Our first Firebase headquarters will be set up outside of Phoenix, outside of Denver, Colorado. And then the next one would likely be outside of Dallas for Worf, Texas. And the goal is just to affect the community head on by having like a access and placement where people can go to get this type of training. Yeah. But again, part of the things that we do are a lot of it's virtually a lot of it's online. So what do you do on your phone with the guys back together? Are you like re-creating the A-teams, putting them back together and sending them out? I mean, because that'd be good. Bro, for all the hard guys getting out, I thoroughly agree with some of the guys when there should be a two-year enlistment to get out. I mean, just to train the guys to get out, because you know how we are. And then once you get out, we're already out here waiting on you. When you and I came into this world, man, there wasn't nothing. Nobody could do that. There wasn't shit, man. There was no help. I mean, we're really the advanced team. Like, we were the first ones out. We were the pure advanced team, man. We had to set the ground, see what was what, and kind of set the stakes. And now everyone's coming out, which is great. Because now we're going to have fun with this. So obviously you've got teams of people that are doing that in different cities everywhere. It's not you personally aren't in six different areas. Yes, I'm a company of a lot of employees that do good work all over the country. I could never do it by myself. Yeah. But I think what Marcus is saying, too, is a lot of the past organization and breakdown of how we're building this is based on my experience in the military. And preparing civilians to me is like VSO. It's like village stabilization operations. It's like you want to have access and placement. We'll get into the environment where people live, train and educate them and power them, and that place will be better. The only issue with the government is they get that right because they use us. But then they screw up the rest because they pull us out. What I want is to sustain this over the long haul. Because I think building resilience in American citizens from the ground up, from kids and up is very important, which is why we focus on family preparedness. You know, what I never thought about it to you said it like that, but it's almost as if all the 20 years we've been away, including that VSO, was training when we got back here. So now we actually have to do the VSO. And if you can do it over there in Afghanistan and Iraq where they hated us, especially Afghanistan, I mean, in there, you can definitely do it here with grandma and aunts and cousins. Yeah, and it should, right? People are like, is it hard, Mike? And I'm like, dude, you know, it's hard. It's like deploying to Yemen and trying to get some Yemen's to buy into the things that you're talking about with a language barrier, a cultural barrier, and an enemy trying to kill you. I mean, that's, this is easy. In French. In another language. Travind and French into Pashto, it sounds awesome. I had to throw that out there. That's a real, I mean, but that's a real part of us is to win brother Morgan, had to take French too. And I laugh every time I'm like, you fricking Texas, Afghanistan and Iraq with French. I mean, they don't put that into play either. You know, you got these red necks rolling in, they're got these hardcore country accents, man, they're trying to teach you those languages that just, it doesn't, you can't jive those, man, you know? It's funny, man. It is funny. Well, I find what you do fascinating. I come from a single dad before I ever met Marcus. He was always into being prepared. He was one of the first, you know, like, proper kind of guys that I had ever heard about. And I mean, we've always tried to have a big vegetable garden and Marcus and I have started beekeeping. And, you know, we try and do all these things to be somewhat sustainable. I mean, we're not 100% sustainable. So I'm kind of guessing the bee thing. Because every time I get my ass lit up, which is regularly now, on the, on the mower. You can handle it, babe. You can handle it. There are some benefits. This whole farmer business, bro. I thought being in the teams of stuff. He can handle it. He can, he can buck and complain a little bit. He can handle it. He's laughing at the same thing. I am, right? I am. Exactly. I just kept on being just one of those ways. I was like, I do not want to get hit right now. Yeah. Yeah, I, they've not stung me once, not gone wood, but they keep lighting his ass up. But yeah, we're doing all of that. So I'm super fascinated in what you do. I'm definitely more prepared on the food spectrum, you know, growing our own food and all that kind of stuff. But like, my dad has always been buying a ton of bullets. A ton of, I mean, we even have like, a whole closet of arrows. God forbid, we need lots of arrows. I know work. Yeah. You can reuse them. But I'm fascinated by what you do. And I'm so happy you came out with this book. I'll be sending it to everybody in my family. Is there anything else you want to plug about it? Yeah. So how does this grow? How do we help you grow this, man? What can we do to send? We're putting you out to all of our listeners right now. We're just giving a baseline on you. So I just want to say thank you. I mean, it's an opportunity to get on any podcast and talk to audiences. Certainly, you guys have built a relationship and rapport with your audience. I hope that everybody could find value and the idea of being prepared. It's always been associated with this 10 foil hat stereotype, which is pretty negative. And most people think it's not something that's practically going to help my life. And so what I hope in the book is I make that point. I make that case and then offer other ways to find and get educated in all these things. Because there's a lot of experts out there in their own field of expertise. One of the reasons me and Marcus were successful in our military careers is because we had an institution, a culture that was willing to listen to subject matter experts. And we took that information and applied it to our lives. They could be not like us. And we could bring them in and go, Hey, you shoot the best of the world. Can you teach us how to shoot good? And not everything applied, but a lot of things did. And I hope that's how people will see this. And this is just the beginning. Because for me, the virtual education for this, where I've invested a couple of years, a lot of time, a lot of effort, and taking the experts, a green-bray experience is not going to lend itself to being prepared as a civilian. It will help. There's certain parameters of it. But I got a guy named Miss Amber. Miss Amber is a stay at home schooling or kids at home mom that has a lot of expertise that she's offering on the application, the platform. I got Kevin Estella, who's a bushcraft expert. You won't find me nick and afraid rubbing sticks together in the woods. That's just not me. But he is that guy who will do that all the time. That's the best. He's the expert. So our goal is to provide that value. The application is on a curacode on the back of the book. If you want to continue that education, look into it and just give it a shot. That's exactly what we're trying to do. It's spin that wheel together. So when someone checks in and they need an operator in any condition, that cracks me up with a 10-fold hat, guys. Which is not my dad by the way. I need to clarify that. He's not like a weirdo prepper. Hey, we have him. He's just always, here's what happens is we have one of them. So his job is to make all of us the 10-fold hat. And that would be one section. But then we got the guy who's been with the gun. And we teach him, right? And we don't alienate him because for whatever reason, that sucker's here. And what we know for whatever reason, we have him. I'm like, man, why is that guy here? We don't ever use him. Watch something'll fricking happen. And we'll need that guy for something. So everybody's an asset on your team. You can't believe it. That's the one thing that it taught us. And when we learned over there is because everything got removed from it. Except for us. I mean, we just had each other to survive. I used to get on to James so much about one of my two days about. He brought every piece of gear. I mean, it took forever to load, none load. And I would get on his ass about it. And then over, when we would be over there, sure enough, I'd fricking need something. And he had it. And he would have it. And he'd have that look on his face. I feel like that's you. It's me now, but I had to learn that somewhere. I had to learn from that guy. When we travel, I'm the right traveler. I don't bring anything. And Marcus has like a backpack of batteries. I got to fact out like a mid-back, bro. There's all kinds of shit in this bag. Like I do, man. He has like every charger, all these things. And I bring nothing. I do the color coat of the shirts, the dollar bills, and your wallet. I try to adjust my wallet one time. And she about lost her mind on me. Like I'm living that prep life. You're living that prep life. Yeah, I don't. I am definitely like a, I'll buy it at Walgreens wherever we are. I got trains like the rest of my guys. I freaking still do all of it, you know. Well, hey, man, how can we follow you, man? How can everyone else keep tabs on you? It's, it's mainly FeelCrafts for Robble.com and FeelCraft on everything that we're doing. I got a personal channel. It's Mike Glover, actual on YouTube. And then you guys can see me on Instagram. It's mic.a.glover. Are you making your own blades? Are you, are you, are any hardware or anything? No, we, we use, there's a couple companies like Montana and knife company we work with. Are they our guys too? Are they your partners like from the SF or are these guys you just met up with or, or, how's that work? They're a combination of just good people that I've interoperated with at some point and people who we just met who are doing good things. Yeah, we just got a couple parameters like they got to be willing to support America. You know, that's how we do that. There's a few things in there. That's exactly how we rebuild it. From the inside out and it starts with us. I mean, when people ask me, I get, you know, the genuine questions we get, hey, what's the best pistol? Well, you know, I go get every single one of them. Yep, suckers out. You need them all. Oh, you need them all. You got to have every single one of them lay them out there. But I mean, now we know guys who got out and make knives. Which I think some of our go and even watches everything. I mean, just wait, just wait to see what what comes out of our generation, man. I just think it's going to be amazing and we're just kind of getting started with it. So I used to host an all women's shooting camp at our family ranch. And it was really cool. This group called babes with bullets would come out and use all these female instructors from all around the world. The best. And they brought every pistol, every pistol. They're doing the kill. But you can buy. They would bring every single one, every size out there. And they said shoot every single one and see what you're most comfortable holding. That's right. It wasn't until that moment that they first came out and we did it for several years in a row. But the first time I did, I picked up every pistol. And I used to think, because I have real small hands, I'm real short, that I needed a small pistol. My favorite pistol is huge. It's that HK, it's big. And that and it's heavy. I would have never in my life thought that that's what I wanted to have. And it's my go-to. I freaking live it. And it's because like, yeah, I got to actually shoot every single one and know what I was a better performer with and what I was most comfortable holding. So that is a good point for people just to try everything and see, because you don't, what you think fits, doesn't. That was a great part about our generation too, coming through with our kit. It was like, you could actually tailor it. You knew when you'd run into one of us. Nothing looked, I mean, our hat and not even our hats. There would be a patch on there you had to look for. I know, no. We were figuring it out, I mean, not even rotation, a rotation, mission to mission. We were missing it out. We started with like holsters on our ankle and it moved all the way up our leg. And then it's on our chest. And then it's moving back down to our hip. It's like that evolution changed based on the environment. And the guys with you, hey, man, do I look cool? Because I feel freaking cool, man. And then they'd be like, you look cool, but it's not really operational. And I'm like, well, yes, I don't know. I got a look, I don't like a jackass running through here. Is that, that's real? I'm not lying. That is a real thing for us, man. Because guys are telling me like, hey, when good, doing that, bro, all right. Why don't you like sexy? Well, thank you so much for coming on if you're ever in the Houston area or whenever you come next, hit us up, come out to our place. I would love that. I appreciate you guys, what you guys are doing as well. And there's an honor being on the podcast. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you. Thank you very much. And thank you, everybody, for listening to another episode of Team Never Quit podcast. We'll see you guys next week.