The Rise Of Canadian Basketball & What To Expect From Our Men At The 2024 Olympic Games In Paris W/ SMITH & JONES

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Anyway, today we're going to look back at what we watched in Jakarta and in Manila with Canada defeating the United States for the bronze medal at the World Cup of Basketball and then the ramifications for this team and maybe the United States at the Paris Olympics. I wish I had my count of a flag, John, I would be waving it. I think it's massive. We've got great guests in Paul Jones and Doug Smith to talk about it. I really think it's a transformational moment when it comes to basketball in this country and just the fact that Canadians can now look to the Paris Olympics is just a phenomenal achievement. Everybody wins when Canada goes to the Paris Olympics in this country. The network wins. CBC's got to be thrilled. The sponsors will win and basketball fans and basketball Canada wins. That's for sure. Richard Dich in for the rest of the week. Paul Jones, Doug Smith, John Shannon, will talk the World Cup of Basketball and Canada's success there on the McCallum Podcast after this. Hi, this is Bob McCallum for betrivers.com. Hey, if you're looking for a sports book or casino app, you should check out the betrivers sports and casino app today. Play all of your favorite casino games for real money anywhere and anytime. Plus get in the action with each sports game with hundreds of sports betting options and get ready to feel like a VIP because you'll earn both loyalty level points and bonus store points on every real money wager you make. You must be 19 plus available in Ontario only. Please play responsibly. If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 or speak to an advisor free of charge. betrivers.com Welcome back to the McCallum Podcast. Richard in for Bob this week. And Paul Jones and Doug Smith, who have been kind enough to cover the World Cup, the FIBA World Cup for us, the last week or so. And we've had some highs and lows, boys. And you have to love international sports because there are two teams that always celebrate. The team that finishes first, which is Germany, not the team that finishes the second. And the team that finishes third, because it's the old magic of how you win your last game. You're in good shape. And it repeats the United States 127-1-18. Wins the bronze medal. First time in history, as I recall, that Canada is a medalist at the FIBA World Cup. And it has to make you feel pretty good, right Paul? It does. And I will kind of put my Canada basketball board member had on. It does. It makes you feel good. I look at what. You know, Michael Bartlett has done since he's come in. And, and this is showing just part of it. I mean, he's been working tirelessly behind the scenes at upgrading everything with the program. I mean, bringing, you know, equal travel and benefits and stuff to the women's team. And, and, you know, like he, he tapped me on the shoulder about the Hall of Fame. And then I went and tapped Doug's shoulder about the Hall of Fame to have, you know, some history like he's just done a wonderful job. And then the other guy it really speaks to is Rowan Barrett. Building the team. I mean, he had to get a new driver for the car, you know, on August 1st. And he came up with Jordy Fernandez, who did a terrific job. But, you know, Rowan, Rowan, I think, deserves some credit as a homegrown guy. Building the team. You know, we've had other guys come in and do great things in Canada for sports. You know, look, think about, you know, a pinball. Clemens with the Argos. You think about a Messiah with, with the Raptors. You think about all these people. But Rowan's, Rowan's a kid from Scarborough. And he wore the Canadian uniform. So, there's a couple of guys that deserve a lot of credit. And, you know, again, I say this. Never mind as a, as a basketball guy, who 40 years ago, this month, walked away with a silver medal for Canada in the Commonwealth tournament. But also as like, as, as a board member too, on both fronts. I'm thrilled. And, and we still have a better team that we could put on the floor. If the chemistry fits. Okay, Doug, you're, you're our resident historian because you're older than Jones, I think. What. He's got me by about a month. Okay. Okay. Okay. So while I was right. We're in the same vintage. We're the same vintage. That's what this means in terms of basketball in our country. Well, again, it goes to what we've been talking about for a decade is the growth of the sport at the grassroots level that produces quality athletes who get good coaching domestically and become accomplished global players. And we've seen it coming. And it just took longer than I thought. You know that the 2015 team that missed out on Rio was a very good basketball team didn't get it done. This group finally did it. And I think that's the heartwarming part of it is that you already knew I always knew the possibility was there that Canada would be among the top four or five countries in the world in basketball. But that was just talk. And now this group didn't. And I think that's the. That's the point that's going to resonate with people. I was all along. We heard out. And it's got great players. Great team. Great program. Look at all the number of teams going to the NBA. Well, they never did anything until this week. For 20 years. And it's great to see them do it. And I think it's going to be a huge springboard in a lot of ways for the. It'll give some legitimacy in the national see men's program. I mean, can't about some of the leverage it financially with sponsors. And I be kids now. Teenage kids are going to think the national team is a thing they might want to do. Rather than a thing they will kind of do with a picture of their schedule. And to Doug's point. Fellas. Our guys have not always only a select few and Doug you'll agree with with this. Only a select few have been wired to want to play with the made belief on their chest. We came through a generation where in my time everybody wanted to do it. And then the NBA came around and scholarships and all this other stuff. And well, as Doug said, if it fits, I'll do it. Now I think you're seeing a rewiring of our kids to want to play at the senior level with the made belief on their chest. Go back to the point where there are players, great Canadian players. That have tainted their reputations in our. Absolutely not playing like Jamal Muglor. I will never forgive him. Well, because I don't know all the stories. Knowing the inside of that with the insurance and the contracts. I can see where he would say look, it doesn't it doesn't fit as Doug said. It's something I'll do if it fits. But you look at our our academies, the under 17 teams. Hey, RJ Barrett beat the US as an under 19 player for a gold medal. This has been building. And as Doug said, it's always been there. The genies just never come out of the bottle. And now it has. And it's not going back in. And guys like Shay and and to me, the guy, my favorite player, one of my favorite players to watch on this team was Nikhil Alexander Walker. I mean, these guys are wired to play for Canada. And as Doug said, now you're going to get the grassroots. It's going to be the thing to do like, hey, I want to play. I get a medal in the worlds or the Olympics or and and. It's going to resonate and trickle down to that level in a big, big, big time way. So this is less like a question for you to guys, but I do want you to sort of follow up on this. One of the things that I think this win does is it makes playing for the national team cool. And I'm using like that word specifically because both you, Paul and Doug know that a lot of this happens because players talk to other players. We just saw literally breaking as we're taping this LeBron James is trying to pull an Avengers again to try to get all the US guys to play in Paris and win. But the one thing that I can tell you just from obviously growing up in the States is that playing for that team. This is what the Michael Charles like that made like it. They made that cool like they made that like important. And I think the most important thing that's going to come from the world's Doug. This is just my take is that not only this group, but the group as you guys said after that. They're going to make basketball players in this country like want to be part of this because it is a cool thing. You got to win like that's obviously at the end of the day. But that's what I feel like this group is done is that they've. They turn the reputation from sort of it being in some ways kind of like a hassle to now being like, oh man, like I want to be part of this experience. That's my reason. No, you're absolutely right, Richard. And the interesting thing is I remember talking to Dwight Powell. Got to be two years ago now. And we're talking about, you know, why do you play for Kennedy goes because I keep hearing. Luke are talking about playing for Slovenia. The guys in Dallas talk to you hear about JJ Berea playing for Puerto Rico or the color yokets playing for Serbia. They hear, you know, the San Antonio guys here, Manu and Tony Parker and those guys talking about playing for their countries. And it's something they love to do. And now you've got a group of canons who are the same people as those veteran from Argentina, Slovenia, Serbia, Australia, those guys. This is that this is the Canadian group that's going to start that. And I think you're going to get guys who are around the NBA. I know all the young kids changing sharp. And then I'm part Ben Matherin, letter Miller, they all want to play. And I think Los Angeles in 2028 is going to be their time. Maybe the World Cup in 27 and a guitar. So there is you're going to get with your drafts right. It's going to be a cool enhancing career and enhancing thing to do rather than just something that I'm going to go play for Canada. And that's when that's where I go back to what I said we're rewiring our kids to want to play for the country. And because because John mentioned before, you couldn't always get I mean, hey, there was a time when Steve Nash didn't play and remember that Doug everybody was all over him, but because of contracts and insurance and all of those things with Phoenix. And oh, by the way, you have an owner who says, I'm paying you $20 million. Like I don't want you out there running around in your in your short pants with another flag on your chest and getting hurt. I'm paying you that money, you know, I remember when Steve, remember when Steve backed on the 2002 World Cup in Indianapolis. I was the last. But he had played for decades. Yes, yes. He went. He went to play in South American bus garages at the qualifier. He didn't play first class to go play in Manila. So I give you, he played, he put his time in. But yeah, we went through. Yes, oh, four till 14. It was, it was, you had a cold teeth to get NBA guys to even think about playing for Canada. Yeah. And then you got a group that where they want to do, they look, they build their summers around the five weeks are going to be the country. And I think Doug, some of that has come from some of these guys being in the junior academy. Like I said, playing in the U 17 worlds, the U 19 worlds. And then the, the, the specter of intimidation from these other countries is gone. Because you know what? I saw this guy four years ago, like you, you watched the game yesterday. Not one Canadian player had any Iota of intimidation by, you know, the vaunted Americans. I mean, like, come on, like the best player on the floor, the two best players on the floor were Canadian. And, and so I, I think some of that is all part of, you know, what I call the rewiring. And it's, as Richard said, it's, it's cool. Now it really is. The other thing, John, that I want to ask these two guys about is, and this to me. And again, you guys are the basketball experts. So I would see to you a course. But the, the other big change here is that you, you do need a guy. Like you need a guy that everything can go through and you need a guy who like when you need a basket. Like we'll figure it out. And so this wasn't really talked about a lot. And you can point to it. I mean, obviously, you know, when they're still in Brooks or some other, there's been there were amazing shots in this tournament. But the thing that stood out to me was Shay hitting those free throws against Spain. Those were money pressure free throws. And like when that guy walked up there, you're like, this dude's not missing. Like this guy is going to, he's going to continue to put pressure on Spain, they have to score. And Doug, that's the other thing where I think it's at least I know how great Nash was. But like to have a guy who's like all NBA top five guy who can take over games. Like that now gives you a chance to win medals. Like that to me is the other difference is just that it's one thing to have a good. It's one thing to have like an Andrew Wiggins type of player. But this guy is another type of player. He's just at another level. Yeah. I'm sure you could just easily voted for him as then a true leader as the MVP of the tournament. That was actually he might have been the best player in the tournament from game one to game eight. And which you're direct you need that guy. And actually that guy in 2000. Shay is going to be that guy for the next half thousand years. He's going to be the guy who they build the program around because he is a gamer. He's a big time player. Those six free throws in the last minute against Spain were absolutely unbelievable. But with your right. And no point did you think all he might miss to these no way. They were clean. I mean they didn't even hit they didn't even hit rim and and Richard to to you know further your point. In this era like Doug said the 2015 team was really good and just missed. There was a lack of and you know this this nebulous term that we threw out there there was a lack of experience knowing and having been there. In the moment in a feeble game that was part of it. And then to I sat there in Victoria with the game against the checks where you're down like 15. And sometimes in feeble these comebacks are like they're like turning a freaking ocean liner. But you come back you tie it you take the lead and over time. And then you lose and and it's the lack of a guy in that game in Victoria. I tried to do it. Olinic tried to do it. You know everybody had their chance and okay it's my turn I'll be the guy they didn't have a guy. Now they have a guy and even Dylan Brooks making big threes. What did it come from penetration by shame attention paid to shame and and that the game that they lose to Serbia. They were able to slow him down I thought they were very physical early and they carried favor with the officials for the calls put us in foul trouble. Like it was kind of like the Brazil game and you'd love to have those back but to your point Richard they have a guy there's no doubt where the ball is going when it's important. But the learning the learning curve in the Brazil game was. I think it I think it got them through the Spain game I mean you don't blow a lead like that you can't blow a lead like that that they had against Brazil. And particular and and lose your cool. Yeah because that's exactly what they did against Brazil they lost their cool individually and as a team. They really shaped how they played the Spanish in in so many ways. Paul touched on on Jordi Fernandez a Doug. What kind of challenge was this for him I mean he was replacing the guy that that everybody thought was going to be the Messiah basketball coaching in Canada and in Nick Nurse. And a lot of people when they named Fernandez said who. Which it's didn't matter that I don't think the players said who. But can you understand the relationship that he had with his with his lineup and with his players. Yeah I think the best thing he did was he didn't do too much. He didn't come in and try to put his mark on the on the program he came in. So what Nick had started what made your friend and a Mitchell I put our assistant coaches were working on. And he understood NBA players and I think that you can't underestimate the importance of knowing what these guys think. How they want to be treated and how you could use them to get the most out of them and I think that's a huge plus. And I do think I honestly think the best thing he did was didn't he didn't do too much. And he had a sense there was always a sense of calm around him. Even the Brazil game and he lost his temper a little bit lost his temper a little bit in the semifinal. But he never was out of control English or out of control history on it. You know you like the way he just comported himself and I think that's huge because it's trickle down to the players. Because the game's weird the games are tough they're physical they're poorly officiated. They're a little bit jaggedy that the coach is going crazy the players can go crazy and you're never did. It's interesting Doug you say that and the analogy I'll draw is you know nurse Bartlett Barrett Ron Barrett they got this. This commitment from these guys that yeah we're going to be there. And I give again I give Ron Barrett credit for building the car the right way. And they had to change drivers and as Doug said they found a similar driver. He understood NBA players. Hey a guy who played for Canada and didn't play on this team tray Liles from Saskatchewan who was born in Saskatchewan was a Sacramento king. And he told his Canadian guys hey listen if you guys have any doubts or any qualms about playing for this guy call me. Because he was part of that resurgence in Sacramento last year and it was it was the car was built well. We just need the right driver to replace the one we have because we thought the one we had was pretty good. And this guy turned out to be pretty good to and and full disclosure here I was texting with Jordy the whole time he is set sits close to my brother on the plane Sacramento and I've gotten to know him over the course of the season. The guy is as the guy is as Doug said he's as calm as ever he's always in control. You know the passion is there but the focus is also there and think about it he took over he saw these guys some of them for the first time on August 1st. And here you are five weeks later barely missing a gold medal that's pretty good that's pretty good. Well I go back to and I think Doug you and I talked about this last week. The post game press conference against Brazil where he really did call most of his TD mouth he called himself out and not once did he lose his cool. And it was it was very very it was it was a calming shit storm what it what it was and I'm not and I'm not sure. I mean and to me it was whoa he's ripping rocks whoa. He's ripping gilgose Alexander okay now he's he's also taking a strip off his own reputation and his plan. And by the end of it you feel much better about how his approach to every game and each individual on the club was. Yeah that's a news company said look they have to they have to make shots and they didn't. They didn't play better and they didn't but then he said but they also can play better and we can make them better and they will be better. He temper is everything there's never there's never a high or low and I think that's the best thing about him in it because crazy things happen for you. The tournament like yes weird stupid things happen and you got to be able to just roll with it and his ability to roll it and I love Nick. I'm not sure Nick was built for fever because he's you know what he's like. He kind of lost his mind happened a thousand times I don't think he would have because of the state for so high. But with Jordi you never thought he was going to go off the rails. We always see that Doug Doug still your line here. If you people think NBA officiating is bad. Wait till you see fever and like like some of the calls in this tournament. I just as a basketball guy I just shake my head. I just like what are you thinking but. Well they weren't. Yeah they weren't to that point. You got to keep it together because it takes a cool head to win a really hot game. Paul you know one of the things where we've seen in this country. The soccer federation in terms of investment. It's really hurt the program those two programs. And so we'll such success at the at the. At the feeble worlds bring some money into Canada basketball where they can really set up prior to the Paris games. Whatever they need to set up so the team is in the best possible situation to really have a shot in the mouth. Well I think and I can say this Richard that's happening now. It's like it's like any implementation or renovation. Things always get worse before they get better. And and I think we're turning the corner now. And I as Doug said as John said as you've mentioned. I think the monetary side of things will pick up and yes you will have time because you know we're talking about the men's team here but. Well the respect our women's team has been better than our men's team for the longest time. And and and they deserve that same you know that same energy. So yeah I don't see the same kind of pitfalls Richard. And I can't disclose all of it here but there are some things in the works to help the players out as well. And I just I just think we've learned from other people Canada basketball has learned from other organized sports organizations NSOs and this thing is going to be done properly. And I just can't tell you how excited I am looking forward to Paris next year now fingers our cross because both all of you guys know this you play a summer in the Olympics and then you come back to your NBA team and that's a grind. You just hope everybody stays healthy. You just hope you're healthy for next summer going to Paris, which is what's our help they're hoping in Germany and hoping to stay to the whole of Slovenia and Australia. That's that's part of it. I think Richard to your point there is no Canada basketball business. There's no separation that's going to squander the money they got. They set up in a basketball. This is going to get them some money going to get them some federal money on the podium money is going to come become available to them for the men's team will be highly ranked the women's team already is. I think they will get more presenting or big name sponsors they don't have a bank. They don't have a car dealer they don't have a technology for and they have sunlight and flare. They're going to be their better be and I've been saying this for a long time. Some big deep pocketed training corporation got to get on the ground floor of this because look where it is and look where it's going. Considerably going into Paris Canada will be legitimate metal threats in men's basketball women's basketball and women's three by three basketball. If you're in line with Canada basketball you're going to get a lot of you're going to get a lot of juice for your money if you're with that program. Doug you know what my line is and I said it all the time I said it before I was on the board I said it when I was playing I said it I said it constantly. There is no country with the with the talent level. You need the resources but there's no country that should be beating Canada consistently except for maybe Uncle Sam. I'm not talking about a loss here or there but like I look at going back to what you said Doug the what did they come into this tournament ranked at FIFA like 16 17 18 somewhere there. I don't know we pull there's no way we shouldn't be in the top five or top 10 there's just no way and now we will be and that's the way it should be like and now when the resources come in. You could you actually have groceries to go and cook a good meal whereas before you were piecing it together with whatever you could find I think it's going to change big time. You know there just as an observation jump on something Paul said you know you the basketball board as you guys I'm a friend of Brian Cooper's Brian Cooper's has done a solid job as the chairman Michael Bartlett's done a really good job. The lessons learned at hockey Canada rightly or wrongly and the wrongly we all know about and we're going to get more information in the weeks to come. The right is becoming patriotic and teaching people to be patriotic that's what hockey Canada has done better than anybody else. In the soccer world we have we saw the women's team take over and pull the whole organization through a lot of stuff and then the men's team and we're and I think and we've seen a similar thing with basketball it was the women's team first and now the men's team is coming along and what we're seeing. I think the lessons learned and the mistakes made at both soccer and at hockey. I don't think basketball will make those mistakes I think that they have enough I have enough wit and wisdom to make sure that they don't make those mistakes the key thing for me now is first of all the rest of the world now knows that we're we can play this game. So we're not going to be we're not surprising anybody in Paris if we surprised anybody in in Jakarta and Manila. What about the roster where's the roster going to go the guys that went to you know to Asia to play now how where's the level of loyalty to them in order to make that decision I mean Zach Edie did not play very much but is there a level of loyalty to Zach Edie for going. Or is this a is this a cutthroat business dog at this point in time it's very interesting because on Monday I wrote exactly that there was going to be loyalty from the program to the players and there has to be because the players for the program demanded loyalty of the players. And you can't say put your hand up for three years and then two years say well sorry thanks for coming out. A guy like Edie in particular no he didn't play but maybe doesn't play in Paris but maybe plays in Qatar or a lot of Angeles but you're learning her stuff you need guys like him in your program for 2028 and you need the guys who bought in in 2021 to be able to play through 24 like they committed you can I get I get Andrew Wiggins and that's he's the poster boy because he's the name everybody recognizes. But if you're going to throw somebody over who committed two years ago when Andrew had a chance to put up his hand and for whatever reason and then I'm sure all justified he did not. Do you miss Alexander did Rowan did how old did a Linux did Alexander Walker did almost guys did you cannot throw any of them off the boat to bring a guy like Andrew on now maybe happens maybe there's retirements maybe guys get hurt maybe guys say you know what for the better from the program and step back but that's going to be on them. How do you get the guys how do you get guys to buy in for 2028 if you're screwed over the people who bought in for 2024 well and cannot do it they cannot do it. But there's there's another part of that that there is there is a loyalty to putting your best team on the floor Doug I wholeheartedly agree but if a guy couldn't want it to commit this year and couldn't because of contract situation or something like that but was in the was in the queue before and I don't know his situation but a kid like Andrew Nemhart right. He's a guy that you have to consider like he would be in he might be an upgrade to to your roster and I think it's a tricky balance and Doug I agree with you you have to be loyal to some of these guys and John to your point Corey Joseph put up his in Doug's words put up his hand and played forever for this team and he was in camp this year but how old is he now like you know it like there comes a point. Where it's very very difficult I wholeheartedly agree with Doug but at the same time there's another side that says you have to put your best team forward that maybe those are conversations as you said Doug where a guy says that can says okay for the betterment of the team I'm going to I'm going to pass on this. You've got to put that on. Yes yes and Murray Wiggins and Murray have to be a top of the list. Murray wanted to put it Murray said Murray said Murray said. He was here in camp he all the things that they need to draw Murray to do over the last three years he's done. Convert training camps to be around the program be available just couldn't play because he was hurt and I'm coming back from a long NBA. He'll be in Paris all things considered all things being equal. But when in 2021 when they asked these guys to buy in for three years he said yes and some guys said no and that's but you have to be loyal to the people who said yes. And I get putting your best team on the court no question about it you got to try to do that. But there also is a way the right way to do it and the story have a Monday both Mike Bartlett and Jordy Fernandez speak to that. There is a level of loyalty that's important for the program for the 2025 27 28 32 you got a set of standard and they set it in 21 when they asked these people to do this. You can't screw them over two and a half years later. The only thing I was going to say Paul and then you can add is that and I imagine Paul you'll agree with me. When it comes to some like Wiggins what I what I think a smart organization would do and I imagine Canada basketball do this is. You talk to the players like you talk to Shay you talk to the leaders on the team and ask like if we brought this guy in. How's it going to impact chemistry how's it going to impact what you think and Doug you're right Murray is different like he's. If he doesn't get hurt there's a lot of other variables maybe he plays in this but he's definitely going to play in the Olympics and that is a guy whose talent is so great that you actually break the rules whatever the rules are it doesn't matter he has to play. So to me this is really about Andrew Wiggins and I would ask just the players like and just point blank say like how would he fit in and have guys just be honest and and then use that evaluation. To make your judgment because the only thing and this is where I am with Paul and I do respect the loyalty aspect and stuff like that but and this is where I'm sure Paul you agree with me. I think a lot of other countries are much more sharks and they'll just put their best play. It's not about loyalty it's about metals. They're their talent pool is such like you look at Serbia they got a silver and they had the two time NBA MVP not playing sorry somebody's giving up a jersey when Nikola Yokech walks into the room. And to your point Doug he's played before he just couldn't play this time I get it but there is a fine line there. And when it's played in 2015 and 2021 to his ever lasting credit and I think I get he will be on the team somehow but it will be at the insistent it will be at the someone taking a step back or someone getting hurt. It won't be kind of basketball coming out today and saying oh yeah we're adding Andrew Wiggins to our winter core or summer core because they cannot do that. Last year or in the World Cup qualifier in Victoria what was that yeah last year around this time Lou Dort was around he just couldn't play but he made that commitment Doug to your point John and Richard and this is where I go back to what I said. People are being rewired now to want to play with the Maple Leaf on their chest. It's important Doug you saw that team in in 2004 that beat the U.S. that the golden era of Argentina with Genobli and Skola and Noceone and Delphino and you know all of this guy heck Delphino still playing right now he's 40 years old. I mean that's how you that's how you wire it that's how you get the commitment and you know we've said it many times you've heard these years come up 27 Qatar 28 LA like and kids like Zach Edie will be a big part of that going forward but you're laying the foundation right now there's no question. And guys and guys like them hard sharps Miller master and they'll be part of that too that 27 28 good no question about now again I guarantee Wiggins will get the final way to get them on the team. But there's the way they do it is going to be important because the message they sent in 2021 after Victoria was long term commitment and you can't say well now we just want to win here for them can't do it. Why would the guy what would the guys of the 27 28 group believe you. If you screwed over the first group you have to be consistent you have to be consistent well the one thing that Canada did by winning the bronze medal against the Americans was Pope de Bear. The Pope de Bear and it it probably has changed a little bit of what happens with USA basketball and how they approach Paris we will talk about that after the break this is the Macau and podcast Paul Jones Doug Smith Richard Dijk Johnson. Welcome back to the Macau and podcast Richard in for Bob this week Paul Jones Doug Smith with us to talk basketball and here we are early September we're talking basketball we're not going to talk rappers. We are just talking about the international game and the success of Canada at the World Cup. But now the question becomes and we've seen this tons of times Richard talked about it earlier is the Americans were embarrassed the Americans didn't get a medal. Now not many people saw it because it was on ESPN plus it wasn't even on the main network or ESPN 2 but. There seems to be a rallying cry now Richard that we have to put a better team on the court to have an opportunity to regain that American glory in Paris at the Olympics. Well John there's nothing like when the drum beat starts for the American exceptionalism tour. And the other thing is there there's really very few things Americans like more than a redeem team Americans like you know I mean all of us sort of grow up in some ways were sort of like taught like you're you're the character in your own little superhero novel and so Americans love like the idea of a redeem team and you have seen. Now as we start this week LeBron James discussing hey let me get the band back together Steph Curry Kevin Durant etc. So Doug I have no doubt that I don't know if everybody from past US glory will be back but my sense is that this loss will prompt a change in the US roster because generally speaking especially USA basketball rightly or wrongly they think of themselves as the best in the world. They take Umbridge when anybody else beats them and I would think there'll be you know a little last dance kind of action going on by the way that doesn't mean they're going to win. But I do think that you will see some combination of LeBron, Steph etc. with a mix of some of these guys who played in this latest round. No question about it and I was around the 2008 the redeem team that went to Beijing and reclaimed the glory that they lost in 04 and happened in 06 and you know this is this American team is now not going to metal. You know it's not going to metal at the World Cup in the last two there were seven in China in 19 and no fourth here so there is some redemption to be had so obviously the guys who every looks at the LeBron steps Durant. Jason Tatum those kind of guys yeah they're going to be as together because one is Paris to it's really marketable. Yeah it's a very it's redemption it's pretty good like you can be part of this thing that reclaims basketball glory for the state if they win the gold medal. Jones how many production companies will be filming each of the individual stories of. I mean let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me track. two years. do tell old stories. I am. I am. I'm going to tell tales maybe out of school for you. in May. No, it was probably April of 1992. I get a call from Scott Moore and John Shan. And they say. what do you do in the summer? I said I'm going to be teaching summer school. Shan it says. I got a better gig for you. Okay. The NBA is sending its first team to the Olympics. Man muss jemanden, mit einem absch pressen zu f傳uten. So darf es dir breasts sein. Wenn er mich in einem yearnvenirck arteries backen.. ich sagte ich nicht, wie das hätte ich sich unger Sloven potential davon. Das ist mein erste Tag in Richardenzadien. Und Doug und ich sat camar und auch inktóreٍ communion haben waren die μεle spaced. Die USA, die trabalzte Whitney Oscar Schmidt, swoering Forty Seven Indianapolis in anderen Ouaiswas für Naht. und er hatte in einer der world-fremdende Championships. The US said, okay, no more. They pounded their fist on the table, said, We're not sending our kids to get beat by these guys anymore and they went flee hunting with tanks. But that's what they're trying to do now, LeBron, and you know what, The rest of the world has tanks too now and they raised that level. They did. They made it cool, they raised the level. Ich bin in Barcelona, der ein mec, der für einen Ellen standen, Und du know, he's going to want that. Can this group of NBA players manage FIBA officiating Doug? Oh, yeah, I think because a lot of them has been through as I've stepped play in a World Cup, the bronze one, Olympic medals. Kevin Durant was the best player on the American team. Let's play international, doesn't he? Yeah, yeah. A bunch of tournaments. Yeah, I make it big and I handle it. But Again, the world is shrunk. I don't know that they will be. They will be the most recognizable team. But I'm not sure they'll be the best team. I honestly don't know. I don't know. I'd have to see you on it. And he's on the other ones. Like if you put. If you put yokas on that Serbia team. How good are they? Yeah. That's pretty good, right? So. I would love to see it because. The best Americans. Have never lost. And I think they never really see. They were challenged by. They would be. That's. Yeah. And that's what I think. Staying both Beijing and London. They were two of the best basketball games I ever watched in person. But, American ones. I'm not sure they would this time out and that's going to be. As they be fascinating because. Look at it. Look, with the best players in the NBA. Are not American. All NBA is. Janus. Yoke. Und in who they very well play so. Yes, there's five guys, right there who are, would be in all first team, all NBA teams who are in non-American. It's going to be, it's going to be really interesting in Paris, no matter who the United States said. The other thing, Doug, and you guys, you, I'm also on this too, is there are guys who just, for whatever reason, whether it's the rules, whether the game is different, five fouls, whatever it is, Sie sehen ein European-Player, die durch diese Tournemenz oder die Olympik sind. Sie spielen wie Jordan und Barclay. Und David Rutte, wie wir sehen uns in dieser Tournemenz. Es gibt Leute, die, wenn ihr einfach angedacht habt, und ich glaube, das kann ich nicht machen, der NBA, der NBA-Player war, durch die Welt. Und das ist, dass es nicht automatisch ist, dass weil Sie bei Ststen und Lebron und J Cela in Live-Camera squashatigen sind. Also ich denke, es ist einratulationsigen Betrieb. Kaniese 5000 narcissist 6, ist er dann ganz Liquidiserowy ist überall. Und die NBA-Reanjiere habe alles gelbe, und däropt einPlay, aber gibt es schon drin, ihr gutere равно 3000 anraft geht! like these four, the third quarter ... like you have massive dissidents to make. Richard, there's a few things and Doug we talked about this. It's a shorter game Yeah And you see these great runs in the NBA well, because there's time and there're more possessions and the pace is different and the fouls the shorter game and you're right if it was a series or if it was a seven Game series das übergere ich eben so gut auch wie die Und aus wie P coding, wenn du los går hast, und wundern dann einen kleinen Tag. Das sind Freude und Love-FeDI. Ich bin nicht. Alsoatkader Bryan менne in der Branche als Ringtee. So ... Ich könnte den zu Each weite constrained. Denn das kann man pewnte gesagt werden, достartnder narrow und assumes. Dann wird es in November, und ist durch DeюON dann an der Haeening-一定. Ama Miami hält einfach eine Chance общем. He, he, he, he, he, I'm okay. You beat me to it, when, when, when you get a sense of schrader at the tournament, then Raptor fans can enjoy it, huh? Well, I mean, everything, everything, we knew about his ability. He showed it because he had the chance to, he was the best-player in the team, so we had to ball all the time and was able to do basically what he wanted. I'm not sure on a team with Scotty Barnes and OG Aton Ovi and Pascal Sviakes. I mean, he's gonna be able to, they will allow him to be what he was for Germany. Aber es lief so, wie man es kann, wie man es hat. John, was das hier entdeckt, ist. Das ist eine Hedgehogd-Germanie. Ja, ja. Ich habe es in Gordi Herbert gespielt. Es ist sehr cool zu sehen. Gordi Herbert ist ein guter BDC-Boi. Das ist ein Pentectin. Pentectin. Listen, Pentectin. Das ist ein Basketball-Town-2. Ich glaube, das ist ein sehr guter Programm. Hey, hey, boys. Jetzt ist das die größte Challenge. Das ist, wenn das DREAM-Team 7 ist, geht es um Paris. Wir müssen sehen, ob diese 4-Gauss können. Das ist die größte Challenge für die Producers. Wir sehen das. Wir sehen das.