Part 2: From Seed to Success: A Blossoming Flower Farming Journey with Amanda Powell

If you're someone who has a passion for cut flowers, our environment and wants to make the world more beautiful, you're in the right place. Whether you're growing flowers for pleasure or profit, I'm on a mission to empower flower enthusiasts and professionals to help change the world around them. Whether you're just starting out or needing help in hand, or looking to scale as a substantial flower business, I'm your Cut Flower Woman. Welcome to the Cut Flower Code. So welcome to part two, and I'm a welcoming over Amanda Powell again for session two. So if you haven't caught up on last week's session, it's all about starting a flower farm, the challenges, the successes, the failures. So do catch up on session one, and now we'll go into session two. So what? Talking about recommendations to flower farmers, so the first one will be crutch the numbers for sure. And don't be afraid, because the price and get the price is the price. If you decide that's what you need to earn the price is the price, because it's very easy to say, I had it on a Facebook group this morning, you know, I've got a florist who's running me and I'm up at the allotment now and I need to just cut someone. I'm not sure they're long enough and I'm not sure this and I'm not sure that. And really like, it was really quite, shall I just say no? And she only wants to spend 20 pounds and how many stems should I give, and I think my grass is a two short, and oh my goodness, I'll hold on a minute. Number one, it's not a huge amount of money, number two, you know, she's just rang you out of the blues, she needs to urgently, you know, this has a price premium as far as I'm concerned. You're up there now picking them for her now, this is, you know, be very sensitive to doing it too cheap. Yes, absolutely. So, and to be honest, if they're calling you, they either should know and understand your business and what type of flowers you produce, or they'll get a surprise and it might be a pleasant surprise, so don't always think of it as negative. I think when I, when I, because I knew nothing at all about flowers or the flower market, I do, and I can totally relate to that question of how long should it be? Is my quality going to be okay? And I remember one of the first courses that I went on, they explained, you know, how long is a premium quality, how tall is a premium quality bloom, and what is a posi grade or something in terms of the grading? I don't think with my whole cell florists, that matters. So I, you know, I fixated on that in terms of, okay, it's got to be above 50 centimeters or it's got to be 70 centimeters if it's below 50 centimeters, it's posi grade, so we get, you charge something else. These days, it does not matter, they'll tell you if they work at all one and they'll tell you if they want a short one, but the florists that I'm working with are using everything. So even if they're buying Dutch, they're not wasting anything. So if they've got an off-cut, it goes into a bad vase, they're not wasting anything, they can't afford to, it's just too competitive and money's very, very tight and the margins are tight. So they'll understand you and they'll get what you produce. And if you're not sure, just invite them over for a coffee one day, get them to walk the field and see what you've got, and they'll see what's short and they'll see what's long. So just have confidence in what you're producing, if you haven't got confidence, you can't sell it. So number one is crunching numbers, number two is about confidence, isn't it? Definitely. Lots of imposter syndrome, can I, will I, should I, how do I, what happens if I, and everything I, and turning that round in touch, I've got a lot of confidence to sell, this is a fantastic product, you've tended that from a seed and watered it and nurtured it, you've got rid of the pest and then you've got rid of the rodents and then you put it in the ground and then it grew and you still looked after it and then you cut it and conditioned it and hey, how this plant arrived, it's come a long way from that little packet of seed. Yeah. And therefore it's an amazing plant. We are producing. Really amazing. And number three, any other? Oh, God, I'll give you loads. Any other recommendations to set up flower farmers, we're going to crunch the numbers, we're going to have confidence in our pricing and just confidence in general and a third one. I think what would be your thing? I would say a B is clear, it's not, it's not easy when you're a flower farmer, especially when you first start you know and perhaps you, you don't have a horticultural background and you don't know what you're growing. But in those first few years, be kind to yourself, be really proud of what you've got because you've produced it and it's amazing and if somebody asks for it, they want it. So that's really the back end of number two. But the other one is start to study your colors and your steps, your textures to start to make notes of things that grow, what you like, what you don't like, certainly make a note of the things that you don't pick because even in year two, you won't pick it again. So you know, it's just wasted space. Oh, yeah, three or four of exactly. And then I think what I found was when I was first growing is I just grew everything under the sun. I had a massive seed list and I forked out an absolute fortune compared to what I could actually manage to grow on blooms and they were all a mishmash colors. Because one of the things that I'm sort of really now that I'm sort of stepping back and I mean, you're four, nearly five is you can grow with intention. You can look at your styles and your colors and what comes up and getting those amazing blends and those subtleties and the things that you love, you know, your coffee creams, your cinnamon swirl kind of shades and colors and textures that come in. They're the ones that if you're going to be a farmer, florist, are going to make you really, really noticeable because you've orchestrated it. It's almost like, yeah, I wouldn't compare myself to a hot me or anything. I can't draw a can't paint, but every artist has a set number of colors. But then they start to blend their own and they can choose their textures. They can choose watercolor. They can choose oil and they can blend them all or they can put pencil in in terms of what they're going to choose as their medium. We can do that with our flowers and fall in love with them and just see how they fall together. So, if you're going to be a farmer, florist, really look at your practice, don't just create to sell right now, allow yourself the joy of the flowers and the blooms and see what's missing and see what you really, really enjoy because that will be your future sale when you're perfecting your craft. You then become really confident with what you're doing and how you're producing. So, if you had your time all over again the last three or four years, what would you've done differently? If anything. Well, I've shifted a lot. I wish I'd every time you make a shift, there's a cost to it, isn't there? So, from changing from markets to local sales, which was down with lockdown, so with local markets, I had the warehouse and all sorts of things and then I shifted to local markets and I exit out of the warehouse and I now work in the studio at home. So everything now works as in adjusting time sort of mode and then because of things that happened last year and this year, I'm shifting into more of the online space as well. So, I'll be doing more with wholesale in the field, so I can just cut it and shift it out, but more at home in the studio so that I can be here for the kids and the family. And that's very much on creative practice and also I told you about half our flower farmer of I mentioned that to you at all. We had a long chat about that a while ago, the half an hour of flower farmer. Yeah, it's something that won't go away and to be honest, I've not started it yet, but it's all coming in my head really clearly now. So as well as the creative practice, which is the colour thing and that's a flower farmer florist side. I've got this other idea of the half hour flower farmer and it's for flower farmers that get started and they've got all the enthusiasm, but then they've got life that takes over. And it eats up all your time, it might be kids, it might be older family members, it just might be other commitments, full-time jobs, career opportunities that come about, but you don't want to let go of the flower farm. And it's really how you can work and be profitable in chunking up into half hour slots and times and systems and processes in the field. So I've been sort of experimenting with that for the last couple of years and I'm ready for it now. So I forgot where we were going, what was the question Ross? I think there's a book in there somewhere. So no, it was about sort of recommendations on what would you change if you wanted to change. What would you change? Yeah, I mean there's loads of things on there, I mean I think you're going to change every year anyway. I could. Otherwise you won't grow. Exactly. I could have done a lot of things differently. I wish I knew sooner who my audience was in terms of who my client is or who it is that I'm connecting with. And to be honest, they've changed each time because my market's changed. So each time you do that, you lose some. And so yeah, each time you shift, you've just got to be aware of that. I wish I knew sooner and could settle earlier if you're like in terms of one avenue to go down. But other than that, all the experience that I've had, I wouldn't have changed at all because you learn stuff and that's the whole point of business. And any mistake is an asset in the long run because if you want to mentor somebody or coach somebody in the future, you can't do that legitimately if you haven't made mistakes. You just can't do it. No, no, no, no. Hundreds and thousands, I would say. So what's been your biggest challenge then since you set up the business? Time. Time. Yeah. Yeah. So I suppose I was under the perception that I could bring the kids with me. So when I started, Alice was three and Max was going to live now. And they would love running around in the field. And you know, after like two goes, I mean, they're still like it now. And this is like several years on, they're squealing at every little insect that's in there. And it's kind of going sit in the car, but I'm after 20 minutes, so it just doesn't work. Right on the phone. Yeah, exactly. Now if the field was like at home, I could just say go home, but you know, they have to drive out with me. So it's no good. And there's no shelter. It's just a field. So yeah, they're not in love with it. It's my dream. It's my passion. So they're just happy with the money. So yeah. Fine. Um, I've forgotten, again, I've forgotten what the question is, Rose. Sorry. Your biggest challenge. Oh, the biggest challenge. So it's time. It's time with the kids. So I'm being torn pretty much everywhere. My partner had an illness last year, quite a serious one. So that took out the whole of the summer, which in some ways was quite good, because it made me think, OK, how do I work efficiently? And wholesale was the answer. So I can shift a lot very, very quickly in a short period of time. And then this summer, my 13 year old was very poorly, really poorly. You just didn't get to the bottom of it until sort of the middle of the summer holidays. So again, I was mostly at home. And he's getting better now. He's basically, he's got, he's got type one diabetes. And he was in diabetic, where it's like a ketoacidosis. It's like, it's almost like a poisoning, the shock, isn't it? They almost, yeah, he was almost there. He wasn't quite a coma stage, but he was not well. So yeah, those kind of things just took up a big chunk of like the main growing time. So time is really important, which is why I think I'm thinking half our flower farm needs to come about now, because I don't think I'm the only one that's torn in that way that needs to be in like several different places at once. Yeah, absolutely not. So who's your inspiration? Who keeps you going? You've had various challenges, you know, your partner. And anyway, you just said he was your husband, which I didn't know about, to talk about that. And obviously he's poorly, and then your son is poorly. And you've had challenges along the way, haven't you? So who's your inspiration? Who gets you up every day and goes, I'm going to just come on and do this. Well, my, the rest of my family are way more laid back than me. So I've got to say they are, because I've got a massive internal dialogue. I've got like 20 people in my head, and they just seem to have the wand. So it's kind of quite nice to wake up in the morning, having had a, a crazy night of internal conversations for them to go, hi, I'm home, how are you? Where's the toast? So it just helps me. It keeps me grounded, you know, because my, I've got like tunnel vision, the business, the business, the business, and it's like, where's the toast? And where's my shoes? Have you watched this? You know, that kind of thing. So that helps. But if we're talking kind of flower-wise, I have made a couple of notes actually. Actually, there's one that's not flower. And I will say, it's an Instagram site, and it's M from the creative Bodega. Now, you introduced me to Canva, which I think is amazing. Man, now M does some amazing things on her site, and she, she shows you all these great big or cute little tips that you can tweak and enhance using Canva. What's her Instagram handle? The creative Bodega. And she's amazing. She's always interesting. And she, she only works from home, and yeah, she's just funded her kitchen from all of the courses that she's run. But yeah, I really, really like her. Then there's Erin, of course, who is just pretty incredible, because it was how to grow on two acres or less. I mean, the course was what? 2000 and January 2019. I still have alumni access to that every year. So all of the updates, all the upgrades, all the tweets and changes happen. So it's kind of like an old friend. It's something that I do every January now. It's the popping. And see what's happening in that course and how it's changed. Then there's passion flower, flower Sue, who, she's on the flowery florist side. So we've got the flower farmer in Erin. And then we've got Emma on the creative side. But then passion flower Sue is, she's in wearables. So it's, it's the floristry bit. And she makes the most amazing things. And actually, for my wedding, what I really wanted to do. And then I thought, no, I can't be bothered. Just gonna say something else then. She, she makes these bodices, you know, like you would wear as a ballgam, like top bodice. And it's made out of carnation petals. And it just has this amazing feathery effect. But also wearable to twos with really tiny delicate flowers. And what I love about her, she lights me up because she must have taken that step when she was tiny. You know, when you pick up a daisy and you make a daisy chain or you start taking the petals off and you just seeing what you've got at the end. And you, you just idly do that. She must do that because she looks at every single flower in a very different way. And it's just, ah, it's, yeah, it's amazing, absolutely amazing. And then on the other side, Rose, I do have to say you. I know this is your, it's not fair because it's your, your, your podcast. But to be honest, you're really transparent. When it comes to like wanting to make a profit out of flower farming, I think that's how we actually connected because we'd had a conversation, or heard a bit of a conversation about you can't make money from flowers. And it really riled me and said, oh, well, that's what I'm in it for, I hope I can. And then you came out and said, come and come and join me. I think you can. And from there, you've been incredibly open and transparent. You've mentored me as well because I signed up for your coaching and mentoring, one-to-one stuff. And you get it every thing. You are so transparent and you just give so much. So I know you weren't asking for that, but it's true. So there you go. Stay with us. We'll be right back. The small business, do reals get you really? Is SEO just the three letters put together? Content planning something you know you should be doing, but just never get around to it? Do join our growth club online. What is it? It's a supportive community. It's all about growing your business. It provides trainings and guest speakers join us every month. Is it time to work on your business and not in it? The link for more information is in the show notes. Oh, that's very sweet. I think people, yeah, I am very transparent and very black and white. And I will say, don't do it like that, do it like this. And I hope it works because the more people that are successful and the more people that do flower farming, both in the UK and globally, the more we'll stop sending flowers all over the world, the more we'll stop using pesticides and herbicides. And it all goes back to my core values, which will try and save the planet and boy, have we got some work to do. So yeah, I mean, that's my passion and you know, my legacy, I suppose, if you, some, well, I've been on a number of different courses in my life and one of the system. What's on your legacy? What do you want on your gravestone when you die? Which is very sort of the car, but I would really just like you know, you made a difference to the environment or the butterflies will be around the gravestone, just having a nice time and the bumblebees will still exist and I'll have felt I've done something. So that's kind of what I think of. Thank you very much. So any record, I'd read to ask you this question because I know you're a real bookworm. So any recommendations on books, shall we go with your top five or 50? Well, I've got a list here on the bench and I've been really good and because I would have given it a really big list and I've narrowed it down to one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Can I have nine? No, I know. Okay. Yeah, far away. Okay, so we've got the first one because I stole the name. Well, no, I've adopted the name is Leah Ledinant and it's a half hour allotment. So this is the idea that it gave me the idea of the half hour flower farmer except for I've taken it totally differently. It's just it's just a really nice idea. But this is a book which basically tells you what to grow from seed and what to buy in. So you're not wasting your time and you're really spending half an hour at your allotment at any time. And then we've got this is a new one Rachel Siegfried the Cut Flower Source book. But yeah, but isn't it? It's absolutely amazing. And yeah, because I want to move a bit more to perennials, but I only want to put perennials in that I'm going to get a decent crop from. I don't want anything sitting there that's only going to give me like a month's worth of produce. So that's so good. I, in fact, bought it twice by mistake. So I've got two copies. Oh, that's like me in the hour alone, a lot of men. But yeah, that's that's an amazing book. And we've been missing it. Haven't we? There's there's not anything like that. Not even well, there used to be something out of print, I think, from America. Something to do with woody's, but it's out of print. So that's incredible. Then we've got Sarah Dilligen. I think she did this in 2000 and 22, 2009, a guy to floral mechanics. Such an understated cover. But essential, absolutely essential. Then we've got just because Millie Proust was, she's really honest with it in terms of her growing journey. And it's from seed to bloom, which is really nice. What I'm really liking in the last, well, since after lockdown, really, we've got more British books. There's more books. British authors. Yeah, I was looking to America for pretty much everything. And this is nice because what I'm finding now, which is something I want to do on the forestry side when we're looking at colors and textures, when I'm creating my recipes, is I think there's a little bit where in florist books, they've been created by florists rather than people that are growing. So when you're trying to orchestrate something, you don't know what's available in that two-week window. Season. And that season, it's so different. If you're a florist who's buying everything in, you can orchestrate anything. You could put a tulip with a P&E. And you both of us know that can't happen. So quite often when brides come to us and they give us a picture of a Pinterest or something, sometimes I'll give us pictures of fake flowers and I think they're not real. And then I'll they'll give you a bouquet and they would never have gone together ever. An enemy cannot be seen with a day. It just doesn't happen. So yeah, I'm going for that one. That's a good one. Yeah, absolutely. So that's what I want to do is do the grow and the thing. But yeah, millie prowess because it's a beautiful journey. And she's, she tweaked, she changed, she moved house and she did all sorts of things. Then on the half hour side, we've got Ben Hartman, the lean farm. So yeah, I think he does kite in and things like that in terms of techniques and things. And it's it's very much on the lean business function type things that you see in the corporate world. And but I like it because it gave me the inspiration to really sort of think about things. So I've got a half acre plot. I want to compost, but I don't want a massive heap somewhere. I don't have any materials. It's just me lugging a wheelbarrow or someone else lugging a wheelbarrow. Where am I going to put it? I'm good. I'm now going to put all my allotment, sorry, my compost heaps at the end of the beds. So that I'm just tipping it out on the bed. I'm only walking 13 meters, not 50 meters. So those kind of things. Then we've got Lucy Hunter, the flower hunter again, a lovely floral book. But she's a bit more seasonal. I think it's Lucy. She sort of she travels the world doing her stuff. So she does mainly France, America, and the UK in terms of her designs and things. And she's beautiful in terms of our colors and tones and textures and the inspirations and moods that can be evoted with those tones. And if we were flower farmers, if we wanted to, we don't have to grow just the purple stocks and the pink stocks and the and the white stocks, if we don't want to, because they're available wherever you want to get them. And we can get them from our wholesale British people as well. But we could go for the dirty pinks. We could go for the vintage. We can we can do whatever we want. We can choose how to orchestrate it and offer something really unique. And that's going to be unique to all of us as growers. So I like her because she gives me inspiration. She's got another book out this month. It might already be out. So it's going to be on the Christmas list. Unless I win the lottery. Right. And then we've got the art of wearable flowers. This is Susan McLeary. This is passion flower soon, who's on Instagram. But it's the art of wearable flowers. And it's just beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. And she's just so talented. But it's really looking at the very, there's people that do wearables and they use the big blooms. And that's that's great. But if you want something really intricate and you admire that sort of delicacy, that's one of those. And then I've got to go back to the ones that got me in this rabbit hole anyway. Erin's book The Cut Flower Garden. That started it and I was in trouble from then on. And then Georgie's who really just kind of rubber stamped it because, oh yeah, you can do it in Britain too. Which is the flower farmer year. Will that do? Well, I've got, well, I'd say I have most of those because I'm a bit of a bookworm too. And I'm just looking at all my books on the shelves. I love them because you can pick them up and go back to them. And there's a few more that you've mentioned that will be on my list. So yeah, if I ever need a book recommendation, you're on my lady. So do you listen to any podcasts, Amanda, besides mine, of course, but do you listen to any podcasts? I struggle with them because I get really easily distracted. So if I've got my headphones on and I'm hands free and I'm not sat down, I'll be trying to do 20 different things at once. So I'll only take in about a fifth of it. So I wouldn't like to say I'll recommend any of them because I'll only listen to about a fifth of it. So I could say it's really good. And they might have said something terrible like 20 minutes before. So I'm not very good. The one I do fall asleep to is the one on the radio. What's that one? Gardeners question time. I play those over and over and over again. Yeah. I love them. Yeah. I mean, this week in the UK, I will say, Amanda, that the Cutflower podcast was number four after Gardeners question time, the RHS and Arthur Parkinson. So that's okay. That's okay. So number four after them is an excellent song. I know. How did that happen? You did it. So now I just need to top one of those. So I'm looking to top one of those. So if you're listening, please rate and review. I'm not even sure what the algorithm is because it can't be downloads. I've looked at it all. I mean, we have, you know, obviously thousands, thousands downloads, but I don't know what the algorithm is. But once I could work it out, that will be fantastic. So I think some of it might be rating and reviewing. But if you can all do that, that would be fabulous. So three quick questions to finish off today. What's your favourite flower? Oh, God, I'm so fickle. Just like me before I found my ideal man. Oh, um, right. Okay, I have, I had had a little thought about this for a tulip. At the moment, it's cream upstart because it's got a lovely smell. It smells of freezers. Like a really smell of freezers. Then I've got a lovely perennial, which I've tried to grow from seed and it just doesn't work. So it has to sell seed itself. But one day, I'm going to have a massive plot of it. It's called geranium splish flash. Can you come across it? Oh, it's lovely. It's white with random specks of like a bluey purple in. Come and pinch some of yours. Yeah. When I've mastered it, I'll send you some in terms of propagating it. What else have I got? I'm going to go for stocks this year. They were really nice. And is it the apricot one, the really murky, muddy, pinky, salmone color? I had that too, brilliance. I love that one. Yeah. And I could grow more and more and more and more of that. That's just heaven. I wasn't so in love with the white ones. What I have found, because I decided, I remember speaking to you a little while ago, and I said, I'm going to grow more white, because I was going to shift into like the, the wholesale book for weddings supply. And what I have found is white doesn't keep very well. Does it? It goes over quite quickly. No, it's only really a few, yeah, it does go over really quick. I think about it in every plant, I think about it in lilac, it goes over quickly. I think about it in lavender, it goes over really quickly. Flux, it goes over really quickly. It stays in things in the fillers, like Orlando going to floor or amy. And that's what I'm predominantly doing, my whites with a white purity cosmos. That's my cosmos again. I think I could be an advert cosmos. But it doesn't stay in perennials really well, I don't think. It does somebody DM me with some great white perennials, that would be really good. I'd love to know that too. Please, please do a big reveal if you get anything. I know the one that I absolutely love is Malope. That keeps really well. It doesn't do. White Malope as well. Yes, please. But I also like the Vulcan one. And pink, yeah. I will grow that until the cows come home. Two. And dailyers, but I hate digging them up. I'm just not keen on that. It's probably the wrong time of year because you're also kicking into like the Christmas season and trying to put your tulips in at the same time. So I lost quite a condition. Don't dig them up. Leave them in. Well, I did. I've lost, I did them last year was a horrible year. And I think it was just too heavy clay. So I lost about 70% of them. Yeah, I think most people did. So I wasn't happy with that. But yeah, thank goodness for propagation. Oh, that's a tip for flat farmers. Learn how to propagate. And them absolutely come on out of propagation course. Put your bushes in. Put your perennials in. Yeah, get it in. You're polygeneing here one. And what was your childhood dream job? When you thought you were going not, what did you think you'd end up being? Right. I really wanted to be a vet. And they used to do work experience when I did GCSEs. And I did do it in a country vet. And then I realised I just wasn't quite. I wouldn't be clever enough in the shortest period of time that I needed. And I didn't want to wait that long. But one thing, it did make me think when you asked me this question, Rose, I remember because I do it with the kids now, since they were very, very small. I've never managed to go to sleep very well. I've always got like worries or thoughts in my head. And what I used to do was I used to create this dream land or this dream world. And it's what you'd, it was very childlike version. But what I describe it now is a small holding. I created this small holding that I lived in. And I went to go and see the horses and the other. So I'm not, I'm not that far away from it, really. No, you're not. Because that was my last question, if you won the lottery, what would you do? But obviously, it's very obvious what you'd do by a big small holding. Well, I would, but it'd have to be a double life because the family wouldn't become it with me. They're not interested at all. Oh, that's a bit of an issue. I know. Sorry. Two of me somehow or some, but they would love to, they would love somewhere in in the city to just have a great big lovely city life. So I'd have to work it so that I had a suburban small holding that was so close to London that they could just enjoy life. 200 million, 300 million then. And the other one that I'd love to do is travel the world. Yeah, I've got to win the lottery a couple of times, really. I'm not greedy, but you know, I'm just being realistic. I need to travel the world. And I want to share, I want to learn and share how other people grow ecologically and sustainably and what tips and techniques we can take from the world through different parts of the world. Because I think, when you, when you said who inspires me initially, I thought, this is going to be really hard because there's so many neighbors that inspire me. People are incredible. Just individuals and their stories and what they do and what they achieve. And how they just go about life and their insights to life and how they perceive things and how they do things. You know, we've all got a common ground, but everybody does it slightly differently and I find it fascinating. Yeah. So I've got to do that. There's a book in there. I hope you win the lottery then. We can come with me. We travel the world. I will. You know me, it's got that word to you and ends with an open stop. Might have a blade in there. I'm like, we don't have to help me back far. So tell me what next Amanda, what's 2024 and beyond bring for you? So 2024 and beyond, I think is going to focus on the studio and sharing knowledge and encouraging people to work on their creative practice and to really troubleshoot all of those things of I'm short of time. How do I do this? How do I come to peace and terms with making a success of things but also juggling life? So it's those two things. It's going to be a lot in the studio. And yeah, the flower farm is doing well. And now it's time to just start cultivating the other bit. Brilliant. Amanda, thank you very much for joining me today. We could talk all day, couldn't we? We're terrible. We could. And we'll carry on off chatting off of the fourth bell, but it's brilliant to see you. And thank you very much for joining us. Thank you for coming over at the Cut Flare podcast. I look forward to next week's episode. Please don't forget to subscribe and rate and review on your podcast app. We do have some wonderful free resources on our website at thecutflareocollective.co.uk. We also have two free Facebook communities, which we'd love you to join. For farmers or those who want to be from our farmers, we have Cut Flare farming, growth and profit in your business. And our other free Facebook group is Learn with the Cut Flare Afflector for those starting out on their Flower Journey. All of the links are below. I look forward to getting to know you all.