Bobby Marks on Dame's Trade Request, Possible Harden Deals, and Free Agency

The Low Post is presented by Amazon Music. Did you know you could be listening to this episode of The Low Post, ad-free, on Amazon Music? And now, The Low Post. Welcome to The Low Post Podcast, early in Los Angeles on Saturday, July 1st, free agency, is underway and almost done. Woo! A whirlwind of deals as usual, not many surprises, couple big numbers, some sticker shock. Fred VanVleet, getting a three-year max with the Houston Rockets, Desmond Bayne, getting a five-year rookie max, a fun max, his windy calls it, with the Memphis Grizzlies. A lot of stuff happened in Bobby Marks. How are you? Get any sleep? I got two hours and went back to the hotel, like 3.30, watched a little TV. Got right back on the horse 7am sports center on the touch screen, ready to go. That touch screen. Dangerous beast. Dangerous beast. I had teams call me, not the tray machine, it's different. That's a different beast. But the free agent touch screen, I've had teams call me, like, how do we get this? Like, we created our Andy from our group and Sean, they created this, we've been working on this thing since March. Like, this thing is like, created from scratch, patent and sell. That's the next, that's what we do next there. I want to start in the West. Because hovering over all of this are two guards, one of whom is in the West and could go to the East, one of whom is in the East and could go to the West via trade. And of course, that's Damian Lillard in Portland, who just watched the Blazers Resign Jeremy Grant for five years, $160 million. After drafting Scoot Henderson, and that's about all that the Blazers have done, they still have moves to make. Maybe a surprise up their sleeve, maybe not. And James Harden, of course, in Philadelphia, subject I've not talked about yet on the podcast, opted in to $35 million after, let me see if I can get this right, Bobby. Turning down in Brooklyn, a three year, $161 million max extension, then turning down a $47 million player option to go to Resign with Philly on a one plus one at $35 million. So that's a $12 million net loss in year one. And $161 million that he has lit on fire already. He wants to trade. And the clippers, I think, are the leading shooter for James Harden to to the degree that there are shooters knocking down the doors of the Philadelphia 76ers, I think the nicks are lurking, just kind of peaking in the window, rummaging through the garbage cans in the backyard. I think the heater out, and I think the heater, not maybe not out. No one's out. No one's out till they're out. No one's out till the deal is done. But I think the heat have their eyes on a different guard that being Damien Lillard. And I don't know if there's some mystery Harden team that may or may not be out there. But I want to start in the West because the clippers are sitting there. And they got a decision to make. And the decision is, how much stuff are we willing to pony up for James Harden? It ain't going to be Paul George. So if you're a Sixers fan and you think you're getting Paul George for James Harden, you are not unless something, you know, look, I don't rule anything out. I just don't see why the clippers would do that or what the point of it would be. Unless they are just so desperate to nuke extension talks with Paul George before they happen and get out of any salary commitment to him. And I do not sense that they are. They want the three of them together. And they have a decision to make as James Harden plays this waiting game and the Sixers play this waiting game. And I do think, Bobby, I guess the first big question about all this is, is there a two team trade? Forget these three team crazy trades where all of these disgruntled guards switch places and then a whole bunch of assets go to Portland for it. Like you can build trades where Damien Lillard goes to Philadelphia. James Harden goes to the clippers and an entire boat of assets goes to the Portland Trail. But you can build that trade. I don't know how realistic such a trade is. People were building four team trades with Kyrie Irving somehow involved and Kyrie Irving nuked all that. Not nuked, but that's done. He signed a three year hundred and twenty six million dollar deal with the Mavericks with a player option in your three. That is a, that's a great piece of business for Kyrie Irving, by the way. Agreed? Yeah, it's a great piece of business because there was who were you negotiating against if you're Dallas. It's almost like you're negotiating that you were going to have an unhappy player come the training camp in late September. And you weren't going to offer him forty seven the forty seven six number. How low were you willing to go before he became disgruntled and basically probably said, you know what? I'm going to go somewhere else for the 12.4 whatever non-taxman level or do something something like that there and thirty eight thirty nine million dollars. It's yeah, I mean three years. It's it's still pretty solid number there for him considering that, you know, certainly Bamblico and Houston and I know Fred was after I think Kyrie committed, but there was really no other team. There was no teams out there. I don't even think really Houston had their eyes on Fred the whole, you know, that was their guy. They were, they were locked in on and they've only been. You mean you mean you mean Kyrie's meeting with the sons didn't happen. Is it still going on? Kyrie's meeting with Houston. Can they still set that up in a conference room somewhere? He's getting Kyrie's getting three meetings. He's getting a free mortgage from Phoenix. That's what was coming. These meetings Kyrie was going to have. Oh, you have no means to sign me at all. Oh, there's not even a meeting. We're not in the same place. Can I just can we can we can I just have a meeting? Could we pretend there's a meeting? I'll we'll get back to that and a great deal for Kyrie. Base like like to get three fully locked in years, less than the max, but 40 million plus. After all the that has happened in the last two calendar years, is a home run for Kyrie Irving and Chattelia Riley Irving, his agent, home run deal. Mavs had to do it. Brunson, Ghost of Brunson, all that. We know the Mavs had to do it. Kyrie had the leverage in in that sense. I do just want to briefly the whole like, I think the whole who were you negotiating against is a little bit of a fallacy. And it came up with the bulls with Vuchavitch. And before that with DeRosen, like when they've signed DeRosen to a big contract extension for about 28, 30 a year, whatever it is. And everyone's like, well, what was the market for him? Who are you negotiating with? If you have no cap room teams offering him any money, just off from the mid level and see what happens. And that's just not how the NBA works with big name players. You don't just play the market as coldly as that. This is a more human environment where you're sending messages to the player, to the agents, to the larger NBA community. So yeah, the bulls could have played Ultra Hardball with Vuchavitch. Maybe they should have been the Mavericks could have played Ultra Hardball with Kyrie Irving. I guess they quote unquote should have because what was the market for him. That's just not how the league works. And I do think when you do that, you open up a Pandora's Box of other possibilities coming up and up ending your plans. And we are seeing that a little bit with Hardin to bring it all the way back. I don't know what understanding was struck between Darryl Mori and James Hardin. Obviously, there is nothing binding. None of us were in the room during the conversation. But James Hardin turned down all that money in Brooklyn. That's his fault. That was dumb. He should have taken it. He turned down a ton of money in Houston before that. That's his fault. Then he went to the Sixers and they did this thing where he took less money to get PJ Tucker and Daniel House and they got dinged with tampering. And oh, we don't want to do that again. And so he's pissed. And is he pissed? Does he have right to be pissed? I don't know, but he's pissed. So the Western Conference, Clippers and James Hardin. Let's start. Let's just go through the through the standings in the West. One thing on Hardin, it feels like he missed the memo on the NBA transfer portal. You can extend with a team that maybe you're not in love with and then eventually ask to be traded, right? Like that would have been the smart thing for him to do in Brooklyn. Would have to take that extension in the summer of I think it was 2021. And then that's to be traded in like whatever February here. But man, he has he called and now we'll go through the scenarios. But he has cost himself so much money and he'll be 35 as an unrestricted free agent next year. Because he's not extension eligible. And that is the that's that's where he is right now. Yep, take the money and ask for a trade. And the Brooklyn, that's by the way, are just living this up. They're out of this prison that they were in. It was a great. It was a prison of golden bars. You get all these stars. You got to do it. It didn't lead them as far as they thought. And it led them to a lot of drama and misery. And now they're just building a team. And they get to lurk out there too for Damian Lillard. If they want to. I thought Cam Johnson four years 108 million. That's a nice deal. When you look at some of these other deals, that's a nice deal. Unrelated Kyle Kuzma four years 100 whatever million. That's a good deal for the Wizards. It's a good deal for Kuzma. It's a good deal for the Wizards. And a lot of these deals like Jeremy Graham. People are apoplectic. Over five years 160 million dollars for Jeremy Graham. And I do think there's a debate to be had. And probably one that is happening in the Blazers front office of Oof, remember that Kevin love deal with the Clippers when they extended him. And their kind of bet was this would be a good trade asset. If we need to trade Kevin love. And it didn't age well. Kevin kind of got old fast. And it turned into not a trade asset. And we ended up waving him. Is that going to happen with Jeremy Graham? Jeremy grants 29 years old. He'll be 34 by the end of that deal. It's a rich deal. Five years 160 30 something apople. But I think what people are missing, Bobby. This goes for Bane. It goes for all these deals that people are like, whoa, that much money for that dude. The cap is 136 million this year. The most it can go up any year under the new CBA is 10%. I think most, I mean, people are hesitant to project five years out. But there's a new broadcast deal coming. There's a universe in which it goes up something like 10% every year. Maybe 7%, 10%, 8%, 10%. If that happens, the cap in five years at the end of Jeremy Grant's contract that everyone is apoplectic about is going to be $190 million. Ish could be 185. Could be 200. Could be 195. So 30 million bucks for Jeremy Grant in five years when he's 34 and on the decline is going to be one sixth, one sixth that a half of the cap. It's not that bad and people have to get these numbers back to the Western Conference and the Blazers and the Clippers and James Harden and the Nexus of Beard. You look at the West. Denver just won the West and they're the favorites to win the championship. They lost Bruce Brown to Indiana on a two year 45 million dollar deal. Second year as a player option. Great deal for Bruce Brown would have liked the longer one, but that's a lot of money. Interesting deal for the Pacers who I think are on track, barring plot twists and there are always plot twist, Bobby. On track to trade Chris Duarte to the Kings and acquire Obey Toppen from the Knicks. Now we can see what happens with those deals, but I think that's the plan for the Pacers. Denver is awesome. Sacramento, I just mentioned they're getting Duarte. They re-sign Harrison Barnes. They just brought over this guy, Vesnikov from Europe, who was the Euro League MVP. They're solid Phoenix. Who was part of the Harden trade? He was part of the Harden trade. Yes, he Brooklyn drafted him. Okay. Boy, I don't have a lot of people. And then he was traded to Cleveland as part of the Harden trade with the Cleveland and Houston. Cleveland traded back last year in 2000 for a 2022 second. And that's where he, why, how he gets to Sacramento. And that was when owner writer at the award show, when she was confused about whatever the guy was saying, the meme that everyone uses for general confusion. And I think why he was added was because of the member when Carousel Leverett went through the medical, he had the medical situation, and they had to add something else to the deal. There you go. Why the hell are we talking about? It's the Western Conference, the Kings. Good summer for the Kings. Yeah, they dumped the 24 pick, but they're going to get to Arte with some of that cap space. They also traded up for 34 find summer for the Kings warriors. Chris Paul, we've talked about dream on green. Four years, 100, right? 100. Yeah. It's a fair deal. It's a fair deal. And I think it's, it's awesome. I have said many times and now Clay's next. And I don't know how much traction there's going to be on a Clay Thompson extension in the immediate future because he's negotiating from a huge number coming off a playoffs where he, I think, ran out of gas. I've heard he's sort of tweaking his off-season training regimen to get to get more prepared, I think, physically for a long playoff. I remember that was his first long season and playoff run post all those catastrophic injuries. And he didn't play as much pickup the previous summer. But I, these three dudes, this is, this is what we want in sports. This is what you root for is three guys who, who life didn't have to connect to this way. And Steph Curry, Clay Thompson, and Draymond Green, who fall into the same place at the same time. Who fall into the starting five at the same time when David Lee gets injured by happenstance and Draymond Green gets promoted and make magic together. Magic. The alchemy is something that cannot be duplicated. It can't be manufactured. It can't be replicated. It just is. These dudes should play together forever, forever. And I don't really care how much Joe Lekop has to pay and luxury tax, and all the stuff you put on the touchscreen. Like, it's interesting. It's cool. And it has team building implications for them. Those three dudes, and particularly Curry, built the whole thing. There is nothing without the three of them. The chase center, the, what would they even be valued at if they sold the team right now? I have no idea. They bought the team for like $400 million or whatever it was. It would be valued at 15 times that or something like that. Those three guys feel I've been told, and they should feel this way. Like, they have equity in all of that. So pay them all the money that you can pay them. Repay them what you think is fair, and they can build a winner together. They should, they should say together forever. So the warriors, and I think it's time for Moody and Kaminga to step into larger roles too. And I think maybe they'll be ready for that. They'll be solid next year. Phoenix, with all the minute, with the minimum only, I thought just, just did the about the best they could. K to Bates D.O.B. Joshua Kogi, Utah Wantonabi, Drew U-Banks, Damian Lee, Met2, all good signings, all fit really well. Bates D.O.B. thought shot 39% from three last year. It was a great counter-grade defender. At Kogi, we saw they can use them as a screener. Wantonabi went through about two months where he didn't miss a corner three. U-Banks can switch a little bit. People don't know Drew U-Banks is low, low, low, low, low, low. To his exam is people like to say, can switch a little bit on defense, good signings. And the biggest winners of day one of free agency, the Los Angeles Lakers, coming off a Western conference run that I think was real, have undone just about every bit of damage from the Russell Westbrook trade that sent out Kyle Kuzma and Contevius called well Pope and separately they let Alex Kruso walk. They still have to bring back Austin Reeves and they will. But to get Torian printed the biennual shot 38% from three can defend and a little inconsistent at it but can pump and go and make a play. To get Hachimura at the price that he was kind of looking for with the Wizard's extension. And Hachimura, I said this on TV yesterday, props to Rob Polinka and Jesse Busch in the whole front office. I didn't see it with Rui Hachimura. I thought he was a little bit empty calories in Washington. I didn't know how he would respond to high pressure games and playing with the Braun. Playing with the Braun is intimidating for young players. There have been young players and particularly shooters who have folded under the glare of LeBron. And he was awesome in the playoffs and he was awesome beyond jumpshooting that he probably won't be able to replicate every year. But the toughness, the physicality, taking the challenge of guarding Yokech, deflections, posting up smaller guys, playing with effort and focus and intensity, gave Vincent, on the mid-level, perfect LeBron point guard partner, just a home run summer for the Lakers. And the West just keeps getting stacked. Did you say Jackson Hays? Jackson Hays just this morning? Why not? Why not? Lob catcher. Yeah, I mean, at the minimum, tremendous. And you just go down. We mentioned Kyrie going back to Dallas and all this and like the West is absolutely stacked. And that's why I think the Clippers have to look in the mirror and look at this James Harden opportunity and ask themselves, are we good enough anymore without him? Are we good enough anymore without a major upgrade? And I don't think they are. And it's not just because those two dudes never stay healthy. I just think the West has risen around them and they have stagnated. That's my, that's my sort of lay of the land as we get into the Harden thing. Is there anything from those free agency winners, losers, whatever that you want it to hit? And if not, let's get into the Harden mess. Yeah, no, I mean, I agree. I mean, I gave the Lakers an 7 a.m. this morning and then I bumped them up to an A plus after the Jackson Hays signing. I just thought they basically, you can run it back and then you add a mix of players in free agency, stayed over the cap and still bring back the Angel Russell if they want to. I think Portland is going to be interesting for me. And I'm sure we're going to talk about that as far as I think there were 28th and defense last year, 29 and the year before. And you look at that bench, that bench is young in its inexperience. I mean, that's, that's, that's a concern there. But, you know, let's get into, let's get into Harden. I think the clip, the, and we'll stay with the West with the Clippers here. And I think, you know, I've been up there and I'm just saying, yeah, I had expiring contracts, Covington, Betoom, Marcus Morse, 22, 20, 21st. I don't, that ain't getting it done. I don't think that's getting it done. Now, here's the question, will the Clippers put Terrence Man in the deal? That's, that's, that's a, that's a, that, that, if I'm Philly, now all of a sudden, that gets me a little bit interested as far as a young player, a first round pick, instead of just an expiring, you know, an expiring contract type package. Flotsam, expiring Flotsam, and Jetsam as well. Look, the most important name in all of this, that is not being said very often, but needs to be said loud and clear, is Joelle Mbied. He is the most important person involved in the entire James Harden mess of a trade landscape. It's not James Harden, it's not Kauai Leonard, it's not Paul George, it's not Nick Nurse, it's not Daryl Mori, it's not Chuck the Condor, it's not Steve Balmer, it's Joelle Mbied, because he's the MVP of the league. And if you trade James Harden, what did you say, Marcus Morse, Robert Covington, Nick Betoom, and a 2028 first round pick? An expiring, actually, 2028, who the hell knows where any of us will be then? And a package of expiring contracts that will not be on the roster next year. So look, those guys are fine, like Marcus Morse fell out of the rotation. Robert Covington was never really in the rotation last season. Who was the third one? Betoom, Betoom's good. You still have Maxi, you get a pick. What is Joelle Mbied's reaction to that? You know who would be thrilled if they made that deal? The New York Knicks and every other team that's sitting there waiting to see what the hell happens with Joelle Mbied. You mentioned Terrence Mann. I think, look, I don't know what the timing of this is going to be. Ramona has said on TV, Ramona Shelburn, who's very plugged in with Mbied. Don't give up on the idea that Hardin could come back to the Sixers. When I bring up that idea with people who are in this universe, I am told, yeah, like that's the sound I hear with the phone. I don't know if that's possible, maybe. You know, he opted in. So he's a Sixer. Like, I think that would be the argument for that. He opted in and in doing so surrendered control of his contract for the next season to the Philadelphia Sixers. He's a Sixer. They don't have to trade him. We know everyone did talking points out there. They're all more and we saw, you know, he's got the stomach to him to get uncomfortable and he did it with Ben Simmons. And I don't know why I'm doing this voice, but it's early and I haven't slept very much. I just, do you really have the appetite to do that to Joelle Mbied again? To be like, hey, big fella. Our second best player, whatever, is mad and he's not going to play for us. Can you just like write the ship for 60 games while we figure this out? And we'll do it, but like, it's going to be hard and it's not going to be fun. I just sort of let you have the appetite to do that again. I don't know that James can go back, but we'll see. But you mentioned man in the picks and I started this by asking you, is there a two team trade that the Clippers and the Sixers can do? My best educated guess is yes there is. I don't know how big the golf between the two teams is right now and making that trade happen. I know and suspect that the Terrence Man's name is a big part of that golf as well as the first round picks and the wild card to me is Norm Powell. Because Norm Powell is a good player who could help the Sixers, who could help Joelle Mbied next year and also makes $20 million a year over the next three seasons. And why that matters is if this Sixers harden thing is over, and to buy his Harris' contract comes up after this season. And the Sixers already told the world yesterday and so did Clutch. We're not extending Tyrese Maxi right now because we want to keep his cheaper cap hold on the books next summer. They are telling you, we want to have as much cap space as possible and maybe almost two max slots a year from now. And if you have Norm Powell at 20 million bucks, you have the plus side of him helping your team this coming year and the minus side of him taking up 20 million bucks of that cap space. And maybe you can move him because he's good in a pinch. But those are the names that are interesting to me. What stands out of all the crap I just said? What stands out to you and do you agree that there's a two team trade that is workable? Or do you think this has to be a three to four team monstrosity? No, I think it's workable because I just don't know how much when you keep on adding and more teams and stuff, how much is the value of heart in as far as when you look at it? I think you made a good point about Norm Powell. How do you put a stop to Maxi extension talks and then all of a sudden it take on an additional 20 million over the next two not this year, but years two and three if you're trying to load up and chase a couple max guys and everything here. I think if I was the clippers and I think they are still in a wind map now mode, I think I would be a little more inclined with man. I think I would. I mean, I just think like, well, what are we doing here? I mean, you've already gone all in. It's almost like the Phoenix approach, right? Like what Phoenix went with the rant and then BL comes available. And I know that was under different circumstances. We're already we're already two feet in the deep end here, right? We've been since 2019 like, let's just go all in. Not totally not two picks, but if it's man and coming 10 in a whatever, you know, in a 2028 first, like that. That would be more of an appetite because I don't think the three those three expirings get it done. And then you look at the rest of the roster, it's you know, a mere coffee and it's a minimum guys and bones highland and, you know, you know, you're not trading Paul or Kauai. It's like it's a it's a process of elimination. And I think if you're to fill if I think you're if you're filled out to you, you're trying to get as much draft equity and young players in case Lillard becomes available that you can use with Tyres Maxi or Tobias Harris and go from there. And I don't think three expiring contracts in a 28 first would do that. So you bring up Dam to Philly, which I think is very pertinent whether it is a I mentioned before you can build like three team trades or you can just do, you know, what is effectively a delayed three team trade is kind of what you're discussing. I think just let's simplify it. I think this is a really interesting question. How much better if at all? Because what this is what you're floating in what Brian Winhorse flew to yesterday? How much better is Philly if at all next season? If you trade James Hardin and Tyres Maxi and you get back Damian Lillard and you're going to get spare parts. But if you lose those two guards, Hardin and Maxi and you get back one big guard and Damian Lillard because what you're saying is you trade Hardin for a bunch of stuff and then you trade a bunch of stuff to Portland for Damian Lillard and that's the question. That's the question of that three team construction because it's easy to say, Dam goes to Philly, Hardin goes to Clippers, Assets go to Portland and you look at the assets that those two teams Philly and the Clippers have to send to Portland and it's not great. There's not a lot of them and they're to the point that because they've all traded pick school or they don't have prize young players to the point that that returns sucks for Portland because if you're making a three team trade you want to rob two teams blind. That's the point of doing it and in order to do that you have to get Maxi. You have to. That's the only blue chip asset these teams really have to offer that would go to Portland in this theoretical construction. And if I'm Philly I'm like wait a second, Dam's amazing. Love Dam. Incredible. I lost Maxi and Hardin. Like that's not an easy pill to swallow for them either. And you'd have two players on super max contracts making a hundred million dollars. Like that's like you know what I mean like we're talking about these new like that's not like and who's what's what I mean those would be the I'm looking at the roster right now. Those would be the only two players with guaranteed money. So what are you going to go swing for another max guy which this CBA does not really that that's not how you do it. Now you have to basically build like what's your rest of your roster look like there. I don't think that's any I'm high on Maxi. I know that Maxi he he struggled in the early part of the Boston series and then found his equilibrium again. He makes big shots. He's completely fearless and he just gets better and better and better every year. Now he needs to get much better defensively but Maxi's good and he's going to be really really good. You know look I think there's a two team trade to happen. I don't know where they meet. I think it's fascinating to think about how Hardin fits with those two dudes in LA because he's pretty ponderous with the ball and every public statement he makes seems to indicate that he continues to enjoy being ponderous with the ball and that's the way he wants to play and I sacrifice poor him. He sacrificed. He had to pass the ball to Joel and beat and lead the league and assist. I hope I hope that he is recovered from such a travesty of basketball and Kauai is pretty laborious with the ball himself when he gets it in the triple threat position but you know Hardin has a ton of experience running small small small wing guard wing pick and rolls and exploiting mismatches and Kauai can slip into open space and make plays and so can Paul George like I and you just they need an organizer they need a point guard they've been looking for a point guard and he is a point guard James Hardin and you just stagger them in it so he plays every second Kauai rests and Kauai plays every second he rests like the fit the fit isn't amazing I think it is amazing I'll take it back to fits good but it would be interesting to see how it played out kind of on the court and how the ball would get how the dribbles would kind of get divided up nicks what do you think a nicks for Hardin that's the other team watches reported and I do think they have poked around yeah I mean I think it's certainly 4.0 right just because it's a big number and it's expiring now how do we how do we get up to Hardin's I feel like I'm done to touch green right now I'm talking to him like I'm moving my hands like you know put I think it's over here Bobby that's that's disturbing the fact that you see a touch screen I see and you're moving your arm to touch a touch screen that isn't there it's the word document that's that's legitimately worrisome I hope your wife and children do not view this on you too yeah well it's it's certainly it's certainly 40 a and now how we get them how we get into the math heart and Stein oh wow that's exciting for joelle give me a give me a backup center the manual quickly quickly it's good couple ones can't what's that what's that doing for me next season if I'm joelle and be what's it doing for me why am I happy about that and if I'm the nicks no one thinks about everyone just gets so seduced by the star's name why why are I know talent is talent and if you can get talent in the door I guess you get talent in the door but this is 34 year old talent almost on an expiring contract on a game that's in decline he shot 40% on twos in the playoffs you look at his playoff game log James Hardin and it's two all time incredible games credit to him two all timers against Boston game one in game four one of which was without joelle and bead and just so many bad games three of 14 three of 11 three of 15 disappeared in game seven the dude almost has as many trade requests now as two of 11 games from the field in the playoffs and so I just don't know how much value he has and I don't like are we sure he's a good fit with jail in Brunson I who just outplayed James Hardin and the playoffs and was incredible and is a ball dominant minus on defense a slight minus on defense guard I want to pair them up at what cost am I doing that if the cost is so low that you just suggested it it's kind of like what the hell let's have some fun let's do it let's roll the ball out and see what happens if the cost gets too high like two ones three ones whatever three first round picks like I'm not convinced that that's an awesome fit and again New York has all these chips some of them are not that great like some of the picks they have from Washington Detroit etc are like not awesome the Dallas pick whatever like they have their own picks I'm not sure I'm cash in that many in for for Hardin when I'm not like the nicks are good Brunson's a star I'm not sure that that move excites me that much and it's you know you I'm just looking through some teams here and then like well who's next then right like who like who is then who's the third team who's the fourth team as far as like I just man it's it's hard to come up with you know another another team out there you know the other thing is like you know to the to the point I just made texts were flying around all day yesterday what did last two days once hard and opted in and asked for his straight oh my god here we go another another thing that's going to monopolize July and August like Durant did last year Kevin Durant is Kevin Durant man Kevin Durant is like a top five player in the NBA still haven't loved his play in the last couple of playoffs not loved by Durant sir's loved kind of felt like he got unnerved by physicality of Boston and then Aaron Gordon and consecutive playoffs so he's Kevin Durant like I don't have to cancel my freaking vacation for James Hardin I just don't like he's not that guy he's a all I had a look I was a top 75 voter I had him on my list I voted a MVP before I have apps I've written entire pieces in 2018 2019 about how this dude was changing the geometry of basketball breaking every defensive scheme that we knew about making teams do insane things on defense like play on his back and do these pick and roll schemes that no one had ever seen before so I want to hear from the hardened fanboys about how I'm being mean to James Hardin I was nice to James Hardin I have been nice to James Hardin he's amazing he's not that dude anymore that everyone has to cancel everything they're doing to see where he goes in the off season and I think that's one of the things that Clippers are asking themselves is like depending on what the price is yeah he's a talent upgrade he has some skills that we need like do we trust this dude in big games like if in the games that we're gonna have to play do we trust him and so I don't know what's gonna happen this could be resolved today it could be resolved next week it could be resolved in a month we might be in a staring contest within the Clippers and the Sixers for a while with the Dame thing happening over here and Miami shedding player after player after player because they have tax concerns gave Vincent's gone Max Truce will talk about someone else all the depot got into Oklahoma City yeah they call it running a business for a reason because every day feels like a sprint to the finish it takes a lot of work to 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been waiting for this is what Miami's been waiting for yes sir max truce goes to Cleveland good deal for the calves yay calves Georgiang also good deal yay calves gave vinton's gone but we still got hero we still got lower we still got Robinson we still got how much they can trade three picks now right they can trade 28 and 30 and they're first this year well it's a good thing they paid Jeremy Grant 160 million bucks hey that contract hasn't been signed yet oh god don't say that Bobby i'm just kidding i'm just kidding okay well let's let's let's go through the teams i mean first of all let's pause for a second this is a monumental moment in the history of of Portland sports and and the NBA of the last 15 years this is a guy who has been one of the greatest leaders in all of sports a guy who's been a tone center an all-time clutch shooter um maybe the greatest blazer in the history of all the blazers and the blazers took scoot Henderson which i think was the right thing for them to do is a franchise and they knew the risks and i think their brain trust legitimately hoped that they could convince dam to stick around and that they could tweak around the edges make moves here they're mid-level exception a trade what can we get for simons and a pick down the line and let's see if we can be a frisky four or five seed and get lucky and make a playoff run and dame has finally after wavering and you and i talked about this wavering like human beings do has finally requested a trade and here's what which saying his requested a trade in the franchise is expected to work to accommodate him well that that language right there it makes me very happy if i work for the Miami Heat what else do what else do we need to know let's think a little bit more about this what other teams do we need to be paying attention to i have said you know again all the teams that have undersized guards already it's not the best fit so the nicks have a whole bunch of assets right um you know we can go through other teams like that i i've never really loved the jail in brown for Damian Lillard trade construction for Boston um or for the blazers for that matter the heat and the nets have been the ones that have been mentioned over and over again you want to dive into those two teams or do you want to let's start with Brooklyn has has out because they're different than what Miami can offer because i think Brooklyn is more Brooklyn's got the draft assets right like they've got they've got the equity from the harden i mean from the Durant trade um 25 27 29 first unprotected they got a pick swap in there it's in 28 i believe they got an unprotected from Dallas and 29 whoa i'm happy i'm i'm not happy i'm just like i'm hopped up bobby keep talking um player wise well that's a little bit of a different story they got expiring's din witty can't say joe joe harry's anymore he's the Detroit um Roy so neo patty mills cam Thomas they got their own they're two first that they draft clowny and whitehead they haven't signed them yet you can draft trade the rights to them they also got Ben Simmons for two years 77 if any takers out there for him oh his salary is would be necessary would it would be maybe not necessary but they helpful for matching purposes um but that's what you're looking at it from that's what you're looking at from Brooklyn can't trade cam johnson right no they cannot so then your question is if we've already done this with the nets you know damn is 32 33 bridges is a little older than people think i think he's 28 you just went through some trauma that we all talked about am i ready to go back into that world where i'm changing exchanging my future for the present am i ready to do it for a guard who's 32 33 years old and is a nucleus of lillard bridges claxed in and whatever i got left over of my wings is that good enough to justify the outlet i think i think that's interesting he's obviously mentioned mccale bridges as a guy he'd want to play with but he's also mentioned bam out of bio as a guy he'd he'd want to play with and to me you know that's the hand in glove fit to me is my Emmy i mean you put that dude with jimmy butler and bam out of bio i can figure out the rest of the roster later um but you know those are the two teams that people keep going back to and i mentioned the small guard thing like it's the same thing with Atlanta that's got a bunch of trade assets like they got some small guards filly we just talked about filly i mean is there a two team trade with with if there's there a two team dame trade to filly that works i mean i just i mean it's it's maxi it's it's it's maxi Harris and it's 2030 right it has to be maxi it just how yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and then again this brings us to the question of is hard and still on the team right does a dame harden and beat big three makes sense sure talent wise it does defensively that backwards can be a little challenge but hard and can guard up a position is that actually workable i could talk myself into that but then you get or am i trading harden because harden is unhappy what am i trading him for and then again i mean that boat of have i lost harden and maxi and gotten lillard and am i am i am i better all signs point to Miami am i missing anything else no you're not i mean and here's the other thing too is that because now we're in this new cba is like now it's like you know now it comes a little trickier because he traded player exception now is at 110 percent right so now you've got a you got it you know it's 125 percent where you're trading lillard 45 and taking back 37 right like those that that that changes the dynamics a little bit but no i don't i think i think those teams that we talked about you know the brunson problem for not problem the brunson uh the brunson solution for new york comes into play again because i've said this like i'm just not that's not dame is incredible i have voted dame on my mvp valet multiple times like i am a dame true believer if i'm the nicks i'm not cation in all my stuff for another guard i have a guard who i believe in let's but but maybe i'm being naive i i don't know i don't know i'm looking at the standings to try i mean i've done the dame thing the dame fake trade thing multiple times i but you know i mean i i who else who else is out there well i mean i i think the big questions act is he doesn't have a no trade like biel but portland will work with him right like you're not just going to send him to somewhere he doesn't go so you would think lillard gives you five teams maybe he just says Brooklyn Miami but what happens if one it what happens if what happens if you talk comes into play right what happens if all of a sudden san antonio says you know what um dame and lillard for four more years we've got victor we've got picks we got you know you know you know bobby you tall i don't see and actually you tall isn't in an interesting position like can they actually duplicate what they did last year they've they've kind of taken a step back to me just in the sense of the west around them it's taken a step up san antonio is a pertinent name to bring up i don't i would be surprised if that's where this ends up but knowing a little bit about dame and how he thinks and what's going on there it wouldn't shock me now then you have a big decision to make if you're the spurs right is this is this really the time to do it and the spurs so far i've kind of used their cap spaces okay we'll re-sign trade zones we were a dumping ground for the cast for jettie osman and the mar stevens they don't seem to be posturing as a let's go for it really hard right now team i don't know how many how how much win banyama will play is a rookie i give you know so you're gonna play 60 games 50 games he's not gonna play 80 um that's an interesting name keep going this is live man this is unfiltered caffeinated dame and lillard requested a trade live i mean i'm full oh we got real phoenix out there's no more we're not left in the kitty there oh i'm just going through you know you said boss and i don't think jambromic sense you know and i'm not doing the i'm not doing the bragged in time lord i mean if i'm bossed and i call call get bragged in time lord they they have a bunch of picks to offer um how i and and swaps and all that all the picks and all the swaps i have i'm gonna offer i just does he want to now he and tatham here's why you can't boston has all their first round picks i believe right yes they know they're no sorry they're the old one to say ntonia they always swap yeah they always swap to san Antonio so if i'm bossed and i'll call and say bragged in time lord salary filler three picks four picks three swaps whatever it is why you can't rule it out is lillard and tatham have are are close and have played with team you say together and i think i've even had some social media back and forth about you know playing together and blah blah blah over the years um can't rule it out not sure that's going to be ending up the primary destination just because of dames public comments of teams that he's named can't rule it out and if i'm bossed and i'm making the call because look aprons and third aprons and fourth aprons be damned if i can get him for that i i got to do it like it's team in lillard it's team in freaking lillard i'm making the call yeah i i totally agree i mean i'm sure we'll hero the la teams but i don't there's nothing with the lakers at all um based on they have nothing i mean they have anti davis right like i what does anthony davis do for me in a two thousand twenty nine first that doesn't do anything for me clippers we'll hear about christ christ hands tweeting mayami and brooklyn are preferred destinations which we all know but that just sort of confirms we know that christ is very tied into dame that just sort of confirms that this is the nucleus well you know you're going to what you're going to see you're going to basically you're going to rewind the clock from um two thousand you're going to see carmel a little bit of carmel back in two thousand eleven where they're going to try to pit these teams against each other to try to bid again and now if you're if you're if you're as you we talked about if you're brooklyn like you just went through this right like how much are you do you think someone else down the road is going to become available right someone else always becomes available and if and if is the lights are what like it's like i'm feeling like i'm at a nightclub right now behind me um is is it is are you gonna is he the guy you want to go back all in with right so you can hey brooklyn calls him up and say hey we'll give you five unprotected ones and whatever i don't know if that i don't think what mayami equal can offer can trump that brooklyn has the better offer just in terms of pick equity and if i'm thinking through portland's thought process far out brooklyn picks and and brooklyn's got extra picks too coming from several teams um including phoenix far out phoenix picks are valuable too even far out brooklyn picks like games 30 almost 33 years old the kill bridges is really good is he going to be a guy that carries a franchise post game obviously a million unknown things can happen but i agree with you they can trump my amy's offer of well let's think what's the best Miami can do because you can't be limited in your thought process hero you know whatever i there's not another salaried player on the heat that i really need to get i don't think maybe kale of martin yeah i mean would you add kale martin to it here and then it's filler but like the guys that people are going to forget about in making the fake heat trade packages are jovich yeah and the ucla kid they just drafted who's also a trade eligible me jack when does he become trade eligible he's right now they inside right now yeah i don't think so if so if i count those guys is first round picks and i get you don't count our future just don't count them a salary you just got to count it's just their draft rights right no so but if i count them in my head is the blazers is like i'm almost getting five future first from the heat if i if i like those two players that's a good offer like it's not an amazing it's not i've said before like it's kind of like uh for damian lilyard like boy you want the you want the derand return right you want the you want to you want to go back return um and it's not quite that right but having just gotten lucky and gotten scoot and having in in their own estimation drafted a top three level player in shade and sharp i'm already fast forwarding into the rebuild if it makes dame happy and it's palatable to us that's a deal that i'm not psyched about but i can make it and feel okay and i bet there is a certain sense of relief this morning within the blazers front office i know they wanted to make it work they were totally sincere in making it work but now you just have some clarity it was like trying to break no it was like it was like a you know trying to break up with your with a girlfriend you know that you both wanted to break up and nobody knew how to do it i mean so i do think there is a sense of relief here in portland that finally and i've said all along nobody's gonna look at damian lilyard in a different way oh no he mean come on like you know i thought i said this is what i've said about dame all along i don't want to hear the does he care about this does this event today does not prove that damian lilyard cares about winning more than he cared about winning yesterday or two weeks ago that dude is about winning and about team talk to literally any player who has played for the blazers in the last five years and they will tell you all the little things that dude does every single day to set a culture of winning and togetherness and care and it's not just showing up early and staying late it's things like you know a couple players told me like they a story just there's always stuck in my head about a player in the locker room grumbling under his breath about management his terry stuff's not playing me enough minutes blah blah young player and dame going over to him and saying man we don't do that here like we're not about that gently not not like not like sternly not cursing about just like you know that hey man that kind of stuff can poison the culture of our team like we got to be together you'll get your shot i'll help you along just that's just what this dude is this does not prove that now all of a sudden he cares about winning in the way that people want to care about what he always has cared about winning this is not mean he's disloyal to Portland he gave everything he's had to that organization and he's reached a point in his career he wants to try something else fair game fair play everybody can win here i totally great now here's the question holy smokes if if my am and i know we mentioned Miami and Brooklyn but if Miami is the preferred right if there's separation between it too and that net offer is better like a lot better what do you do if you're Portland you appeased player or you do what's best interest of the team i call Miami and i outlined the situation maybe i have dame's agents on the call too and i say here's where we are in andie Ellisburg and pat Riley will say pat Riley looking dapper at all times we'll say okay cool was that mean he wants he wants to come here that's great to get it done and if i'm Portland i say then that that means i want everything every little thing that you can give me every swap every pick yovich you see a leg kid um all of it i want all of it if i want Caleb Martin i get Caleb Martin because i like his contract i need all of it to walk off shots in the playoffs man waving goodbye staring into the camera stone faced don't take that conference don't dismiss the 2019 conference finals run either don't dismiss it just because they got some injury luck along the way they've got a blazers team a nugget see them the second round that wasn't ready i always say this people i oh they made the conference finals big deal they got swept by the worries well first of all the warriors in the warriors even without the random capital w warriors second of all getting to the conference finals is hard it's hard like they they they were consta blazers through the Dame era have been consistently good there's nothing wrong in the NBA with being consistently good they never were great they never got over the hump they never solved the issues on the wing that they had i wonder if they look back at that CJ McCollum trade today and say man if we just kept Josh Hart i wonder if this situation is a little different in Dame's eyes because we're so young lost Josh Hart got Chris Murray didn't work in terms of appeasing Dame and anyway the Dame era in Portland is a success and particularly so because think about what Portland is coming off two eras before they're coming off the Greg Oden Brandon Roy injury double hit disaster one era before they build just organically magically this wonderful team of Lillard Batum West Matthews Lamarcus Aldridge and on and on and i thought they had a chance to actually win the west the year that you know they ended up they injury the West Matthews towards Achilles there were other injuries on the team and they bow out Lamarcus leaves in free agency that could be a disaster too and it doesn't end up being a disaster because of Damian Lillard and they they they were good the whole time i don't my head is spinning Bobby what else should we talk about outside of Dame or you want to talk other stuff what's what more can we say about Damian Lillard i don't know i mean Miami Brooklyn project project Miami well let's just yeah let's talk Miami like so when you like so let's just let's just go through let's do this a little process of elimination here okay Jimmy and Bam off the board okay so now you're looking this is a this is a group of it's everything else right hero Kyle Duncan Robinson Kale Martin Jaime Jacquez their first round picked the rights to Kevin Love you can't trade Josh Richardson you can't trade they just signed those are going to agree to Yovic and Highsmith in 2028 first 2031 pick swap in 29 I don't I gotta look let's left let's left over in Miami I gotta look at their seconds I don't think they got many seconds is there anything I can pick away from Portland's roster that's of interest to me if I'm to eat well no this is what so here's what I want this is what I'm gonna do if I'm Portland's act Nerkich I want him in the deal get him off the book I want Nerkich's money and deal goodbye yeah there's not there's not much like you know in the sear littles a valuable young player for them for Portland obviously sharpened Simon's on that trading yeah that's what I if I'm Portland I want Nerkich added to the deal the golf is money and then you're just building a monster package of salary there 60 million dollars of contracts each way and if I'm the heat man it like they just signed Josh Richardson that's a nice signing for them you know if I'm the heat they're pretty thin with Butler Bam Lillard but that's life I mean they've lived this life before with star heavy teams you need stars to win heroes probably gonna go that's that mean Duncan Roberts and stays we just lost Bruce and Gabe Vincent two skies who started every playoff game basically on our finals run to Cleveland great summer for Cleveland they could do a pick swap in 27 to and minimum they'll get some minimum guys but the minimum bin has been picked over big time already really interesting would be interesting to see how fast this unfolds I mean it could go it could go really fast what was just tweeted he clippers sixers nets he I'm sorry I said he'd already heating clippers 76 or three teams all the interesting exploring trades for the Lillard well that goes into the three team universe that we talked about yeah well this is life and free agency man you start a podcast talk about one thing you end up I'm so glad I'm so glad we it wasn't an hour from now oh we're going on TV and so the heat the clippers and the 76ers I mean look if it's if it's the sixers we talked about what the cost would be if it's the clippers I don't know how they get it done and the heat with those three guys I mean with those three dudes that's that's a killer big three all those pieces fit together really really well Lillard Butler bam let's can we table this for a second yeah because look the trade is going to happen it's not going to happen we'll react to when it happens we're in dialogue about topics that are really important if you're in podcast or as a society just like you supported Douglas in Pride Month the LGBTQIA plus community on their way in the freedom because we are with enough solidarity all is erreichen du glasmind beauty is love and for dich jede man is statement looks for the Pride Month parade this is how we pride on du glas DE let's talk about some other free agency stuff Fred van Vliet to the rockets three years 130 max deal leaving Toronto having all traded Fred van Vliet at the trade deadline having traded a first round pick with top six protections that go on for quite a while for yaka fertile having resigned yaka fertile to four years 80 million having their starting point guard walk pivoting to Dennis shooter who's fine as a backup but can't shoot nearly as well as Fred van Vliet what are they doing what is Toronto doing they've had a lot of guys walk out the door dating to the championship team they they threw out a pick swap for that young who doesn't play in the pick swap cost them a good player like they're good players on the board they end up with colloco i just can't figure out what this team is doing well tell you what the next shoot to drop to watch is the guy got my eye on his past galaxy outcome yep yes i agree and uh last year of his contract extension eligible there's that hint out there that work if he was traded that i'm not going to resign with you i'm not going to extend i'm just going to play out the year here um i have i have my eyes on him more than probably ogie um who's got a player option for it for next year here because certainly the i think the value of the player um and what does roster looks like right now as far as like him looking at like whoo like Dennis shooter malachai flint it's a big drop from Fred van Vliet just just a very weird conglomeration of players with not a lot of shooting and not a lot of coherence and you you know that now this is they're going to turn over point forward duties to scotty barns much more than was the case before that's a big big ask for scotty barns given his own shaky three point shot and just that fit of barns siakum and an obi it's just three guys who like to operate in kind of the same style in the same places on the floor and an obi is the much more willing and better spot up shooter than the other two um i'm not saying i've i've heard anything on pascal i'm just saying common sense would lead me to think and an obi because of his age i think the raptors value as part of their core and can fit with scotty barns siakum is on an expiring deal he's extension eligible so maybe they do the thing like they try to get the extension and get traded later but if i'm looking at teams like Atlanta Dallas now Portland is probably off the board for them as a as a place to trade pascal siakum um indiana i talked about top in before i don't know that they would dip their tones of the siakum think what teams will emerge if and when pascal siakum becomes available but that's an am i'm looking at very weird very weird and the Gary Trent thing just it's been an uneven couple of years for the raptors and and they have a first year head coach us to figure all this out it just feels like they're pivoting and maybe they a portal i think is twenty seven um so maybe they think he can fit into either direction that they go to um weird weird we're in and a loss i think for toronto then not that they should have matched van fleet they shouldn't have that's too much money for fred van fleet fits the rockets fine they need an organizer they play chaos basketball um and we're still waiting on brook lopas by the way that's right i mean we're i think we get brook news probably sad i mean i think it's you know certainly between um certainly houston and um milwaki i think the thing with brooks it would which is interesting and i think i think milwaki's gonna regret it a little bit that they had the opportunity to um extend him during the year for four for i think fifty four somewhere around there that was the number i think brook would have taken it um i really do i think there was you know i think he would have taken it that they guaranteed money and i think it might i might it might cost him a little you know certainly a little bit more in in uh in years if it's three for sixty for example my cost him about six or seven million per year extra what the hell are we talking about brook fred van fleet to the rockets rich or Jefferson said on tv next last yesterday if they gave brook lopas he's predicting the rockets make the playoffs i think that's a little heady given the state of the west as we outlined uh earlier at the beginning of this podcast that started off being about one thing and being about another thing can we talk about kairi for a second yeah a little bit more what do you think of the maves as presently constructed they still have the mid-level to use i believe um but they have kairi and luca they signed sef sef curry almost had sef curry which would have been a big signing sef curry another small guard to him hard away small guard reggie bullock mid-size guard um they got a lot of smaller wings and then their younger wings jaden hardy josh green uh oh max prosper who's been swinged into three in the four probably they have a lot they're they're depending on these young guys i think Dwight Powell's likely to come back at center it's it's for a team that is so heavily invested almost 80 million bucks in two guys two ball handlers who i think do complement each other offensively even though they've just scratched the surface of complement each other for a team that's that heavily invested in those two guys they feel kind of uncertain around the edges and young i think they're interesting and what they do at the middle level is going to be interesting too i'm looking at their roster right now and it's like you're gonna you're asking me a lot from your um from your two draft picks this year oh max who i really like i think you can put him in a game right now um and lively in lively and so you've got luca and kairi hardaway cleaver lively kairi josh green reggie ballah rishan homes hardy and maghi i like hardy i like what he showed last year but it's a lot of young guys and you know josh green their trust level and him seems to go up and down with his three point shot which is understandable but you know those two guys they're going to be a dynamite offensive team with those two guys on the court and i think we'll see them now with time under their belts run more pick and roll together which is something they didn't do as much as i thought they're going to do and get switches and have luca back people down in the post and kick them all out for threes and kairi will get their ass in gear and transition a little bit more and this is a team that needs a kick in the ass to get out and transition uh offensively i think they're going to be fine it's just the youth the size the defense around them in this western conference like nothing is guaranteed to any of these teams nothing it's a good deal for kairi as we said at the opening yeah with the west i mean you're looking at them probably sexy fighting to get play in team right i mean that's kind of just i mean hey things when you if you just look at this draw i mean they have they still have um so kairi's number um we reported as the biannual um which it could be they still have the full non-tax 1240 use but there's just not the market just not the market's not at you know appealing you know as far as what's left out there well just a lot of restricted free agents you mentioned thiable i think who now again now what happens to him right yeah what do the blazers have a use for him and um you know he obviously brings defense to the mavericks we just talked about their defense he's not a great guarding up a position guy and the thing with him is like how how many guys with shaky jump shots am i going to put around these two guys like Josh green at least can play make a little bit like you can use him as a dribble handoff guy pump and go guy Matisse thiable looks uncomfortable when he has to do stuff like that like dribbling the ball is arduous for him you know but do you bet on the defense and just who else is really left shout out herb Jones by the way speaking of betting on defense what a great deal for herb Jones and the pelicans four years 54 that so that's that's interesting because so usually what happens second round picks Zach sign four year deals and they put a team option in the fourth year because what happens is you decline the option and then you you tag him with the restricted tag because if you play out the four years like jail and brunson played out bad things happen right hey remonna just remonna just tweeted the heat is lilyard's preference but he also has deep respect for the san Antonio spurs organization look i like a deep respect i assume that means interesting going there i mean i have deep respect for a lot of things um let's get crazy man lilyard and win banyama like why not i mean why not is because the age and the slow playing stuff that i mentioned before but i look you you mentioned them and i said based on what the little i know of lilyard and how he thinks in his camp i think it's pertinent to mention them and it turns out it was pertinent to mention them dallas we were talking about dallas i just is crazy man whoo dallas kairi kairi's crowing a little bit on twitter when it simmons yesterday said billy boy called him billy boy i don't know if you saw that which i which i enjoyed i don't do that that's cool like he should cross a great deal now it's just time to play now after all this noise after the the 14th trade request that came out of the super team that's that's just an estimation now it's time to play like let's see let's see if he can just be an awesome NBA player again a player that i voted on my all NBA team i think two seasons ago whenever he was maybe three seasons ago i don't know like a that guy be that guy again let's like i kind of need to see it because i said when the maps traded for him they traded during finnie smith Spencer did we in a first round pick i just said i wouldn't be in the business anymore of having him on my team and now he's a maverick he's locked in for three years let's see if he makes it work like i think that partnership can work but let's see if he makes it work it's time for the drama to be over and it's time for the hooping to go on there's summoning me to tv is there anything else we haven't talked about congratulations tyrie's halibut no brainer desman bane it's a lot but again it's the fun max and i mentioned the cap is going to go up it's going to be fine the grizzlies are near the second apron next year joe ingles to orlando i don't understand it great easy keken shoot i would have rather gone to max truce cleveland quietly building a good team uh is there anyone else can we can we dismiss ourselves for the day i think we're good man i think we got enough how many picks do the spurs have they've got two and a pay they've got at least they've got two Atlanta picks coming right they got 12 i'm sorry they got land they got Toronto i got them right here we'll go let's go through it real quick before we it's really interesting bobby is i'm thinking about this what would happen to all the the commentary the commentators who were i criticising damion lilyard for not demanding a trade and it and implic and and um with the implication sometimes spoken sometimes not well that he must not care about winning he just like being the guy in portland and have it be easy and blah blah blah um what what what would those people say if he went to the spurs oh i'd be great i'm actually legitimately curious like would they because that's not a situation where you can go win the title next year unless unless this is move one and then move two and three would just be an interesting sort of thought exercise of well the spurs are this hallowed organization it's kind of cool that he respects that if he actually went there would people be like what what happened does he want to win does he not want to win what's going on so san tonio they got their own they got a charlatte first which i don't know if that will ever get conveyed they got a raptors first that's next year then they got they got an Atlanta first they got a pick from chicago they got a you know another and they got a ton they got 12 first in the next seven years here i have a feeling i'm going to be doing another podcast tonight at 10 p.m. talking about health it's with the uh let's stop and uh perhaps reconvene not with you you have other work to do bobby marks go to work get out of the night club you're in stop imagine and see on tv my friend yeah they're saying come over now i just got the text from oh is this again is this is this the ramp from last year we got he said get you said get over here now this is a kd type situation where we went on an hour earlier last year so i got to get my suit on i got to go bobby marks thank you see you later